Fergie vs Wenger

They have the same record as wins / draws and losses (naturally)... Wenger has won 2 more games but they were charity shield matches which hardly count.

Anyone remember the 0-2 FA Cup game back in 2003? Giggsy missing that open net in the first half. Gutting.

Originally Posted by Mr_Ed

Anyone remember the 0-2 FA Cup game back in 2003? Giggsy missing that open net in the first half. Gutting.

David Beckham does. Had to get his windscreen changed the day after.

If arsenal were to win the league this year wenger would be halfway to fergusons premiership title record and with him being around 10 years younger than fergie he would actually have a realistic chance of catching it one day.

Fergie has the better winning mentality and is better at the mind games (or at least used to be i don't think anyone pays much attention to him any more).

Wenger on the other hand is better at building teams and signing potentially great players early in their careers at minimal cost.

Not much in it tbf.

Originally Posted by Lou_Macari_Chippy

If arsenal were to win the league this year wenger would be halfway to fergusons premiership title record and with him being around 10 years younger than fergie he would actually have a realistic chance of catching it one day.

Fergie has the better winning mentality and is better at the mind games (or at least used to be i don't think anyone pays much attention to him any more).

Wenger on the other hand is better at building teams and signing potentially great players early in their careers at minimal cost.

Not much in it tbf.

Wenger is not a robust character.
Fergie has got to learn to delegate if he has not done so already otherwis ewe will have a post Busby crash.

Originally Posted by Lou_Macari_Chippy

If arsenal were to win the league this year wenger would be halfway to fergusons premiership title record and with him being around 10 years younger than fergie he would actually have a realistic chance of catching it one day.

Fergie has the better winning mentality and is better at the mind games (or at least used to be i don't think anyone pays much attention to him any more).

Wenger on the other hand is better at building teams and signing potentially great players early in their careers at minimal cost.

Not much in it tbf.

£#%&!ing plank.

Originally Posted by Mr_Ed

Anyone remember the 0-2 FA Cup game back in 2003? Giggsy missing that open net in the first half. Gutting.

Yep

Horrible, horrible miss

Originally Posted by Lou_Macari_Chippy

Not much in it tbf.

but that's rubbish..

Arsenal feed off United's scraps..

How Wenger has this aura around him amazes me.

What was it.. 6th or 7th best manager of all time ?

Above the likes of Clough, Capello, Stein, Shankly, Pasiley, Chapman, Saachi etc.. is just narrow minded and ridiculous..

Ferguson absolutely dwarfs Wenger.

Originally Posted by Fountz

but that's rubbish..

Arsenal feed off United's scraps..

How Wenger has this aura around him amazes me.

What was it.. 6th or 7th best manager of all time ?

Above the likes of Clough, Capello, Stein, Shankly, Pasiley, Chapman, Saachi etc.. is just narrow minded and ridiculous..

Ferguson absolutely dwarfs Wenger.

Depends if your talking currently or overall. Overall, yes i agree with you, but currently, i dont think theres much in it.

Alex Ferguson

Domestic competition

* Scottish League: (3) 1979-80, 1983-84, 1984-85
o Runners-Up: (2) 1980-81, 1981-82
* Scottish Cup: (4) 1981-82, 1982-83, 1983-84, 1985-86
* Scottish League Cup: (1) 1985-86
o Runners-Up: (2) 1978-79, 1979-80

European competition

* European Cup Winners Cup: (1) 1982-83
* UEFA Super Cup: (1) 1983-84


Domestic competition

* Premier League: (9) 1992-93, 1993-94, 1995-96, 1996-97, 1998-99, 1999-00, 2000-01, 2002-03, 2006-07
* FA Cup: (5) 1989-90, 1993-94, 1995-96, 1998-99, 2003-04
* League Cup: (2) 1991-92, 2005-06
* FA Charity/Community Shield: (7) 1990*, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2007

European competition

* UEFA Champions League: (1) 1998-1999
* UEFA Cup Winners' Cup: (1) 1990-91
* Intercontinental Cup: (1) 1999
* UEFA Super Cup: (1) 1991-92


With a packet of sweets wenger

As a manager

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Winner

* Coupe de France (1): 1991
* Ligue 1 (1): 1988
* French Manager of the Year (1): 1988

Runner-Up

* Coupe de France (2): 1989, 1992
* Ligue 1 (2): 1991, 1992
* UEFA Cup Winners' Cup (1): 1992

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Winner

* J-League Super Cup (1): 1996
* Emperor's Cup (1): 1996
* J-League Manager of the Year (1): 1995

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Winner

* Premier League (3): 1998, 2002, 2004
* FA Cup (4): 1998, 2002, 2003, 2005
* FA Community Shield (4): 1998, 1999, 2002, 2004
* Manager of the Year (3): 1998, 2002, 2004

Runner-up

* Premier League (5): 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2005
* FA Cup (1): 2001
* League Cup (1): 2007
* FA Community Shield (2): 2003, 2005
* UEFA Champions League (1): 2006
* UEFA Cup (1): 2000


GET ON THAT MR ED AND MR WENGER

Originally Posted by Lou_Macari_Chippy

Depends if your talking currently or overall. Overall, yes i agree with you, but currently, i dont think theres much in it.

Both will be looked back upon as great managers... Fergus has the edge for me as he got a team with a base of local lads and went on to win the European Cup with them.

Wenger is trying to emulate that with his own kids now, none of whom are really local but I think that's his motivation. He will never be considered a true great until he wins the champions league though.

However, his team going unbeaten in the league in 03-04 was a great achievement IMHO.

Originally Posted by Qwertyuiop

£#%&!ing plank.

what i mean is that today wenger is better at building teams. Fergie was better in the 90s but currently, today, wenger is better. Fergie just buys teams now, it's not quite the same thing as building a team of relative unknowns into a tight unit.

Originally Posted by Lou_Macari_Chippy

Depends if your talking currently or overall. Overall, yes i agree with you, but currently, i dont think theres much in it.

You can set demarcation lines to suit whoever.

If you want to do that, why not make it over the last 3 years then.. in which case Mourinho comes out top.. certainly not Wenger.

Anyone that compares Wenger to Ferguson is a £#%&!ing gimp. Ferguson is on his 3rd team for a start, and look what he has £#%&!ing won with 2 soon to 3 of them. Wenger is on his 2nd and look what he’s won in comparison, it’s none contest. These who think he is = Ferguson should maybe £#%&! off and eat jelly eels and probably £#%&! over arsenal to their poxy little southern mates just as the media do.

Originally Posted by Mr_Ed

They have the same record as wins / draws and losses (naturally)... Wenger has won 2 more games but they were charity shield matches which hardly count.

Anyone remember the 0-2 FA Cup game back in 2003? Giggsy missing that open net in the first half. Gutting.

Firstly, Charity Shields don't count as trophies but in head to head's surely they do? Also worth pointing out Wenger has spent a lot less than Fergie.

If we'd spent less than Arsenal we'd count it, just as we do when comparing against Chelsea.

Originally Posted by 1MUFC

Anyone that compares Wenger to Ferguson is a £#%&!ing gimp. Ferguson is on his 3rd team for a start, and look what he has £#%&!ing won with 2 soon to 3 of them. Wenger is on his 2nd and look what he’s won in comparison, it’s none contest. These who think he is = Ferguson should maybe £#%&! off and eat jelly eels and probably £#%&! over arsenal to their poxy little southern mates just as the media do.

Keep your knickers on flower - I was merely musing that their head to head records are identical.... Given we're going head to head in the league and we're meeting them in the cup and could meet them in Europe it will be interesting this season.

Originally Posted by Spiffy

Firstly, Charity Shields don't count as trophies but in head to head's surely they do? Also worth pointing out Wenger has spent a lot less than Fergie.

If we'd spent less than Arsenal we'd count it, just as we do when comparing against Chelsea.

Given the money wenger has spent do you think fergie could have had the same success? i dont, i suspect we'd be mid table struggler's. The thing is we have always spent money and its kept us in the mix, time after time we've broken transfer records. Money isn't everything but it absolutely makes a difference between those that compete and the also rans. You can only respect someone that builds success without those rich resources to rely on. Like i say, fergie was superb in the 90s at getting some great players at bargain prices but those days are long gone.

Originally Posted by Lou_Macari_Chippy

what i mean is that today wenger is better at building teams. Fergie was better in the 90s but currently, today, wenger is better.

Right, so we are talking the league only, since the year 2000? Or would 2002 be better for the point you are making? For the sake of your argument we are dicarding the Aberdeen team of the 80s, the 1994 double winning side, the 1996 double winning side and the treble winning side?

Originally Posted by Lou_Macari_Chippy

Fergie just buys teams now, it's not quite the same thing as building a team of relative unknowns into a tight unit.

What are you on about you silly little man?

Almunia - Bought
Sagna - bought
Clichy - bought
Senderos - Bought
Toure - bought
Fabregas - bought
Gilberto - bought
Flamini - bought
Rosicky - bought
Adebayor - bought
Walcott - bought
bored now....

In fact name me one that has come through the Arsenal youth ranks that hasnt been cherry picked from elsewhere....

Originally Posted by Qwertyuiop

Right, so we are talking the league only, since the year 2000? Or would 2002 be better for the point you are making? For the sake of your argument we are dicarding the Aberdeen team of the 80s, the 1994 double winning side, the 1996 double winning side and the treble winning side?

What are you on about you silly little man?

Almunia - Bought
Sagna - bought
Clichy - bought
Senderos - Bought
Toure - bought
Fabregas - bought
Gilberto - bought
Flamini - bought
Rosicky - bought
Adebayor - bought
Walcott - bought
bored now....

In fact name me one that has come through the Arsenal youth ranks that hasnt been cherry picked from elsewhere....

You missed Eboue too.

Justin Hoyte has come through their ranks I think but he's not a regular.

Originally Posted by Lou_Macari_Chippy

Given the money wenger has spent do you think fergie could have had the same success? i dont, i suspect we'd be mid table struggler's. The thing is we have always spent money and its kept us in the mix, time after time we've broken transfer records. Money isn't everything but it absolutely makes a difference between those that compete and the also rans. You can only respect someone that builds success without those rich resources to rely on. Like i say, fergie was superb in the 90s at getting some great players at bargain prices but those days are long gone.

You wait until Manucho scores the winner in the CL final

Essentially the wenger is a better manager 'cos he has excellent contacts in African and French youth football?