OFFICIAL:Manchester United v Southampton|Premier League|30.12.2017|17.30|BT Sports

Originally Posted by Clownbones

Jose straight in about the ref

This all you got pal? Deflection?

well he could tell the players they're shit.

Originally Posted by Sapien

imo all we really need is another bombastic thread from saffers to rally the troops.

haven't we suffered enough?

It's time that Pogba started to get some criticism as well. Has not justified his price tag since he signed.

Originally Posted by LFOD

but a player that needs motivation to play for united should be out the £#%&!ing door. it's united , and they get paid for it. motivated to walk out that tunnel - so that tells me we lack professionalism before kick off. fire the manager will change £#%&!all without a leader out there.

Then sell them. Or don't pick them. None of them worse than Mkihitaryan, his own player.

If United is a natural motivator then even more reason to question what the manager is doing

Originally Posted by utd99

Rather than worrying about who’s going to be scapegoated I’d worry more about who’s going to get bigged up again when it’s crystal £#%&!ing clear that none of our forwards have a clue.

Rashford has never looked more like an out of his depth youth player than he does now. He literally does not know what to do in critical moments. Mata is finished, Lingard never was and I wouldn’t be shocked if Mkhitaryan tried to end it all tonight, he looks haunted.

Matic is physically shot, Pogba irrelevant and Shaw should volunteer a pay cut after that.

What’s the answer when you need a whole new squad and manager that inspires rather than destroys?

Need a whole new squad

Sure it needs some significant improving but there’s a lot of quality in this squad
How many of this squad are playing at anywhere near their potential

Now more than ever a manager’s primary job is to get the best out of the squad of players he has at his disposal
He’s failing in that regard big time

Originally Posted by LFOD

well he could tell the players they're shit.

People would moan about that then

"Shouldn't call the players out in public"

"Fergie wouldn't have done that"

"Pep would have been so gracious"

Something about Van Gaal

Etc

Originally Posted by TheKitchenSink

Mourinho being a sulking, childish turd in his interview. No class.

Typical Mourinho isn't it?

This all started with his rank cowardice at Anfield. Team was flying and he goes into a match where he could have made a statement and refused to play. Constant negativity and excuses since.

BT making sure Young gets a ban here

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

We would be on 21 or even 22 titles now if he had taken over from SAF. Nqat.

Said in another thread but if we were to get him in it should have been then to steady the ship....but a rebuild? No.

Not about what he wins either.. no problem with that. I have a problem with his style and his conduct. It's not United. Seen in most performances since he got here and most media engagements.

Originally Posted by Clownbones

Then sell them. Or don't pick them. None of them worse than Mkihitaryan, his own player.

If United is a natural motivator then even more reason to question what the manager is doing

Could you imagine the backlash if he dropped Pogba?

All well and good when you have another quality player to come in, but we haven't and even a half arsed Pogba is better than the next in line.

Originally Posted by TheKitchenSink

Mourinho being a sulking, childish turd in his interview. No class.

Well at least he is as pissed off as we all are. I would be more bothered about a "THIS IS FINE" mindset tbh.

Originally Posted by utd99

Rather than worrying about who’s going to be scapegoated I’d worry more about who’s going to get bigged up again when it’s crystal £#%&!ing clear that none of our forwards have a clue.

Rashford has never looked more like an out of his depth youth player than he does now. He literally does not know what to do in critical moments. Mata is finished, Lingard never was and I wouldn’t be shocked if Mkhitaryan tried to end it all tonight, he looks haunted.

Matic is physically shot, Pogba irrelevant and Shaw should volunteer a pay cut after that.

What’s the answer when you need a whole new squad and manager that inspires rather than destroys?

Going through the motions. Happens when players have lost some confidence in the overall context.

Could be the title being over in December that's done it, could be a wider issue.

But when every single player is well below their standard there's a bigger problem.

Originally Posted by Tiberian

Typical Mourinho isn't it?

This all started with his rank cowardice at Anfield. Team was flying and he goes into a match where he could have made a statement and refused to play. Constant negativity and excuses since.

Yes

Even picked up some going in to the City game and then reverted to type.

Turgid since.

He won't change. Hes done it his whole career.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Mourinho isn't really known for his detailed coaching, at least nowhere near the extent of someone like Guardiola, LvG or even Conte. Didn't have a clue how to put a session on until LvG schooled him in his mid-30s. His understanding of the dressing room dynamics always felt a bigger strength.

That ability to unite a group of players for the cause has always set him apart. Most who worked under him during his greatest spell will say they have worked with more tactically detailed coaches, but not many who give so much confidence and belief.

Is that magic still there? There was reason based on recent years to think it could be dwindling.

Grimson (RWTA ) made an interesting point a while back; he said that, in his opinion, much of Mourinho's success was down to the bond he built with his players, and the outstanding man management skills he possessed as a young manager. He had genuine friendships with players, particularly those in their late 20s/30s, and identified with them.

As he's grown older, he's lost touch with players in that respect, and as a result, lost that magic bond he had with his teams. There is certainly nowhere near the same level of spirit and camaraderie in his United squad as there was within his Porto, Chelsea and Inter sides, which were all, incidentally, his best teams.

He looks like a grey, outdated figure on the touchline, and the charisma and confidence that used to ooze out of him has completely vanished. One of Ferguson's biggest strengths was his ability to reinvent himself and adapt to the changing game as he grew older; maybe Mourinho just lacks that adaptability, and has exceeded his shelf-life. The once great manager is great no more.

IMO United need an injection of youth and energy at a management level. Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho are all experienced football men, but were at the latter stage of their careers. To quote the great Richard Arnold, perhaps we don't just need a team of "XI George Clooneys"; perhaps we need one in the dugout, too...

Originally Posted by dunk

Doesn’t matter if he goes now or in 18 months really. He won’t be staying longer than his standard 3 years, and he isn’t building anything or laying any foundations or doing anything other than attempting to grind out results, Moyes could’ve done that ffs.

this.....everything as each day goes by seems like this is a short term appointment.. Mourinho at the start of his time gave the impression that he would like to be here long term, but with him still living in a hotel, flirting with PSG and then saying he will manage elsewhere after here married with the last few weeks of moaning about money and the like, looks like he wants a way out, these vibes are obviously felt by the players, calling out players in public, as much as we would like to do it, rarely works, then the constant cold shoulder and then brought in out of the cold does not help. Why would the club give him hundreds more millions to spend if his heart is not in it 100% and he is going at the latest summer 2019.. A £#%&!ing mess from top to bottom and the Fergie fella has a lot to answer for, going like he did and dumping a ginger @#%&! on us......

Originally Posted by Clownbones

And it's no surprise

If he fails it's what he does. Cries, blames and leaves in disgrace. Wasn't befitting of us in 2013 and he's done nothing in the meantime to change that.

We hired out of desperation and now we're paying for it

It's not just the results. It's a draw today. We have decent points.... it's about the process. We're boring, low risk and generally just insipid....and when we lose....he drags us down...fights in the tunnel, walking out of press conferences, having a go at the money side of things...

Painful watching bright, exciting players like martial Pogba mkhitaryan Rashford all look terrified .....Mourinho getting pissy on the touchline like a miserable old c***.

.. f*** off. Just f*** off.

And yet, it is a surprise.

He's a narcissist, we all know that. But from a psychological perspective, he's not following the classic narcissistic behaviour pattern at all.

The depressive behaviour he's exhibiting, and seemingly transmitting to the team, would be understandable if he'd had to take a job at say, Leicester, or Stoke or West Brom. That would have been a calamitous blow to his narcissistic ego.

But he's been given one of the top 3/4 managerial jobs in football - the job he coveted most of all. He should be absolutely on fire, buzzing. That's what I expected and hoped from him.

I'm no Freud, but I know a bit about psychology, and I just don't understand what's caused this depression at all. He's been like this almost since he arrived, so it doesn't seem to be the City factor.

I wonder if he's never recovered from the humiliation of getting kicked out of Chelsea and ending up out of work for almost a year before he got the United job. I wonder if that finished him.

Originally Posted by AK14

Could you imagine the backlash if he dropped Pogba?

All well and good when you have another quality player to come in, but we haven't and even a half arsed Pogba is better than the next in line.

Don't think Pogba was as bad as being said on here.

Not great, but nobody was.

And i don't think we should be blaming players. I'm saying it's in the boss. One of two, ok. Everyone has dips in form, but these aren't dips. Confidence is shot.

How many players look comfortable in their position and look like they know what to do?

Martial Rashford lukaku Pogba Mata mkihi are all marginalised to some degree by our selection and style

All have shown what they can do in the right conditions either here or elsewhere.

Originally Posted by believe

Classic Christmas game of the shit@#%&!s. A team full of players who should be doing well, having to do so against a team who isn't doing well. It should be 4-0, I've got a feeling it won't be.

Late entry for #sage of the year here, fair play.

Originally Posted by Clownbones

Then sell them. Or don't pick them. None of them worse than Mkihitaryan, his own player.

If United is a natural motivator then even more reason to question what the manager is doing

after that who would be left to pick? even more questions about the players regardless of who bought them. where are the character guys. pogba , he bought him , sell him , don't pick him? isn't being named captain enough? it used to be. it's not one player. we are not looking like a team that you can blame on jose. lack of effort or motivation on the players part , not at this level. not having that.

Sell everyone