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Unread 01-12-2008, 01:58 PM
irk
 
Default Laws of the game - Handball

Handling the ball
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact
with the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following
into consideration:
• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards
the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected
ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is
an infringement
• touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing,
shinguard etc.) counts as an infringement
• hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard etc.) counts
as an infringement
Disciplinary sanctions
There are circumstances when a caution for unsporting behaviour
is required when a player deliberately handles the ball, e.g. when a
player:
• deliberately and blatantly handles the ball to prevent an opponent
gaining possession
• attempts to score a goal by deliberately handling the ball
A player is sent off, however, if he prevents a goal or an obvious goalscoring
opportunity by deliberately handling the ball. This punishment
arises not from the act of the player deliberately handling the ball but
from the unacceptable and unfair intervention that prevented a goal
being scored.


on what interpretation of that law are all the pundits saying that the ref had no option but to book him?

it's like that time when they were convinced rvn was offside at the euro championships only to be proved wrong.

he didn't need to be booked. he shouldn't have been booked. the ref was over zealous.
 
Unread 01-12-2008, 02:07 PM
Tumescent Throb
 
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Cautionable Offences

A player is cautioned and shown the yellow card if he commits any of
the following seven offences:

• unsporting behaviour
• dissent by word or action
• persistent infringement of the Laws of the Game
• delaying the restart of play
• failure to respect the required distance when play is restarted with
a corner kick, free kick or throw-in
• entering or re-entering the fi eld of play without the referee’s
permission
• deliberately leaving the field of play without the referee’s
permission


very unsporting behaviour from Ronaldo imo

8 game ban, banged to rights and no mistake
 
Unread 01-12-2008, 02:09 PM
Zorg
 
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I agree
 
Unread 01-12-2008, 02:09 PM
irk
 
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unsporting behaviour is a catch-all definition that is meant to cover offences not specifically legislated for eg, dean windass trying to £#%&! up the long thorw at stoke.

to use that as an excuse to book ronaldo would have been a cop out, but as far as i know that wasn't the reason cited.
 
Unread 01-12-2008, 02:10 PM
red red robbo
 
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Originally Posted by irk
unsporting behaviour is a catch-all definition that is meant to cover offences not specifically legislated for eg, dean windass trying to £#%&! up the long thorw at stoke.

to use that as an excuse to book ronaldo would have been a cop out, but as far as i know that wasn't the reason cited.
What was the reason then because I can't see anything else on that list that would cover it.
 
Unread 01-12-2008, 02:13 PM
Withers
 
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He is a smacked arse little @#%&!.
 
Unread 01-12-2008, 02:15 PM
redrose
 
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What was unsporting about preventing himself from scoring? It was easier to head that ball that handle it. He might well have scored from it!
 
Unread 01-12-2008, 02:16 PM
irk
 
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i thought he'd booked him for deliberate handball. whatever it was for it was harsh. it certainly wasn't any more unsporting than any other infringement that took place during that game.

my point is that the offence is covered by the handball law. there is no need to use the broadly defined unsporting behaviour law to punish him. to do so, or to attempt to retrospectively justify the sending off by doing so is, well, unsporting.

if i was to engage in hyperbole it's the footballing equivalent of using anti-terror legislation to chuck a dissenting old man out of a party conference.
 
Unread 01-12-2008, 02:22 PM
Albert Tatlock
 
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I've seen the replay countless times and I'm of the opinion that if Ronnie had tried to head it he probably would have scored in the top right hand corner.
 
Unread 01-12-2008, 02:24 PM
Ether
 
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Originally Posted by The Withered Hand
He is a smacked arse little @#%&!.
 
Unread 01-12-2008, 02:24 PM
Part 36 Offer
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Withered Hand
He is a smacked arse little @#%&!.
 
Unread 01-12-2008, 02:33 PM
Withers
 
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Since he came back he has been a problem waiting to happen.

His head isn't in the right place because of what happened last summer.

You only have to look at his attitude.

Clapping the referee on Sunday.

Giving it the number 1 to the Villa fans last week.

Constantly giving it the look of disgust everytime somebody has the temerity to tackle him.

Not celebrating his goals when he first came back.

Just give the @#%&! what he wants and sell him next summer.
 
Unread 01-12-2008, 02:38 PM
Ether
 
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Originally Posted by The Withered Hand

Clapping the referee on Sunday.

Giving it the number 1 to the Villa fans last week.
Thank God Rooney has never done anything like this eh

You keep analysing his attitude if you wish. I'll stick to concentrating on his contribution on the pitch thanks.
 
Unread 01-12-2008, 02:50 PM
Tumescent Throb
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Withered Hand
Since he came back he has been a problem waiting to happen.

His head isn't in the right place because of what happened last summer.

You only have to look at his attitude.

Clapping the referee on Sunday.

Giving it the number 1 to the Villa fans last week.

Constantly giving it the look of disgust everytime somebody has the temerity to tackle him.

Not celebrating his goals when he first came back.

Just give the @#%&! what he wants and sell him next summer.
thankyou for that two footed lunge on my ankle old chap

ooh lovely, now let me celebrate with the lovely, media drip-fed £#%&!ers calling me a @#%&!
 
Unread 01-12-2008, 02:56 PM
Billy Baroo
 
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Originally Posted by Tumescent Throb
thankyou for that two footed lunge on my ankle old chap

ooh lovely, now let me celebrate with the lovely, media drip-fed £#%&!ers calling me a @#%&!
or

give them exactly what they want, show them that they got to you, add fire to the stereotypical view that you are petulant and arrogant

and then play volleyball in the derby and look for excuses

i love ronnie to bits but its all starting to get a bit 'Henry'. Always someone elses fault etc. The bit about stuff not coming off for him or passes going astray and him chucking his hands in the air at team mates has been £#%&!ing me off royally

he looks less a team player and more an individual as time passes
 
Unread 01-12-2008, 02:56 PM
Withers
 
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Originally Posted by Ether
Thank God Rooney has never done anything like this eh

You keep analysing his attitude if you wish. I'll stick to concentrating on his contribution on the pitch thanks.
If what happens on the pitch is all that matters to you then carry on, until he isn't on the pitch that is.
 
Unread 01-12-2008, 02:56 PM
The Return of JC
 
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Originally Posted by redrose
What was unsporting about preventing himself from scoring? It was easier to head that ball that handle it. He might well have scored from it!
Then he should've just headed it and he'd have scored instead of being sent off.
 
Unread 01-12-2008, 03:03 PM
Ether
 
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give them exactly what they want, show them that they got to you
Like a certain someone did yesterday you mean?
 
Unread 01-12-2008, 04:33 PM
Spiffy
 
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It was a yellow as for whatever the reason he deliberately handled it. It was probably to protect his face but he'd clapped the ref earlier and as such had used up any goodwill. Ask yourself if it had been Stevie G who had been sent off, how many would say on here he shouldn't have gone?

I know the first yellow was very harsh but if I was the ref, I'd have 2nd carded him for the clap.
 
Unread 01-12-2008, 04:39 PM
Tumescent Throb
 
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Originally Posted by Billy Baroo
or

give them exactly what they want, show them that they got to you, add fire to the stereotypical view that you are petulant and arrogant

and then play volleyball in the derby and look for excuses

i love ronnie to bits but its all starting to get a bit 'Henry'. Always someone elses fault etc. The bit about stuff not coming off for him or passes going astray and him chucking his hands in the air at team mates has been £#%&!ing me off royally
he looks less a team player and more an individual as time passes
im agree muchly with these bits

he's looked a proper team player this season though; his decision-making on the more flowing attacks has been very good. as for the flicks, they've mostly not been coming off for any of the front men most of the season, though people normally just slate Giggs for it.
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