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Unread 10-03-2017, 05:29 PM
Bunker Buster
 
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Ewwwww tennis calls..

Crowd ooooo'ind and Arrrrrrring the decision board..

One stage away from robot wars "in the pit, in the pit"

Goal line tech was a good decision, th rest is pantomime..
 
Unread 10-03-2017, 05:38 PM
S/Side.Red
 
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Bit surely there will be a relatively short list of things that can be appealed? Wrong sending offs, handballs for penalties etc. Cant imagine Jose using one of his calls because some @#%&! has dived on the half way line
Well, it won't be three calls each. That's half asking the managers to referee the games. They won't take responsibility if they miss one.

But even so, yes. If PSG had a call or two left they'd have thrown themselves on the floor to stop the momentum of the game.

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Ewwwww tennis calls..

Crowd ooooo'ind and Arrrrrrring the decision board..

One stage away from robot wars "in the pit, in the pit"

Goal line tech was a good decision, th rest is pantomime..
Just waiting for someone to bring up sin bins.
 
Unread 10-03-2017, 06:00 PM
Tumescent Throb
 
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Give each team three calls, would take about 10 seconds each and eliminate some of the shit we have to see. Would also make refs up their game imo
this. don't know the best amount to use but the gridiron version, basically.

atm the media goes mad for decisions, but the ones it goes mad over are virtually always the ones the director chose to broadcast multiple replays of.

the other night di maria was clean through and hacked down and there wasn't a single replay. the psg manager could instantly use a review. if it fails he loses it, if it succeeds he gets another.

the fact is though you're still at the mercy of the angles immediately available and of the people charged with deciding. some will always be better at interpreting images than others. some incidents will have an angle that seems to prove what happened conclusively, most probably won't unless they were obvious anyway.
 
Unread 10-03-2017, 06:08 PM
believe
 
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Also, when wrong decisions are made the game stops anyway usually resulting in two or three minutes of commotion. If anything this would eliminate that.
 
Unread 10-03-2017, 06:14 PM
Crumps
 
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Play continues until it's called back if it's summat the ref missed. Easy.
 
Unread 10-03-2017, 06:14 PM
S/Side.Red
 
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Also, when wrong decisions are made the game stops anyway usually resulting in two or three minutes of commotion. If anything this would eliminate that.
Usually wrong "decisions" aren't part of the game. They're missed. So the game doesn't stop at all.

But as we know, many decisions are a matter of interpretation. And many managers would misuse their calls. And it wouldn't stop them or anybody else from talking endlessly about the wrong decisions that were allowed to stand. It's basically futile.

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Play continues until it's called back if it's summat the ref missed. Easy.
This is the obvious structure and it's what will happen.

But it'll lead to a lot of uncertainty. I like to keep as close to instantaneous calls as possible. Sometimes we get some confusion, but the idea of half celebrating or watching a team counter attack knowing it could be pulled back at some point feels very anti football to me.

I want to know, most of the time, whether play is live. Not play on just in case something isn't given thirty seconds from now.
 
Unread 10-03-2017, 06:23 PM
Sizlack
 
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Flag down on the play!! £#%&! off.

We should try and keep the game the kids / Sunday leaguers etc play as close as possible to the game at the top imo. So it's a no £#%&!ing way from me.
 
Unread 10-03-2017, 06:34 PM
woody78
 
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Hopefully they don't do it for offsides.

We've had 6 wrong offsides go in our favour at OT so far this season.


That was what Matt le Tissier said after the cup final anyway.....
 
Unread 10-03-2017, 07:11 PM
red in cumbria
 
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Hopefully they don't do it for offsides.

We've had 6 wrong offsides go in our favour at OT so far this season.


That was what Matt le Tissier said after the cup final anyway.....
Must be true, then
 
Unread 10-03-2017, 07:36 PM
est.1878
 
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In 30 years we are going to be an absolute "it wasn't like that in my day, grandson" STATE
 
Unread 10-03-2017, 09:29 PM
Tumescent Throb
 
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Usually wrong "decisions" aren't part of the game. They're missed. So the game doesn't stop at all.

But as we know, many decisions are a matter of interpretation. And many managers would misuse their calls. And it wouldn't stop them or anybody else from talking endlessly about the wrong decisions that were allowed to stand. It's basically futile.



This is the obvious structure and it's what will happen.

But it'll lead to a lot of uncertainty. I like to keep as close to instantaneous calls as possible. Sometimes we get some confusion, but the idea of half celebrating or watching a team counter attack knowing it could be pulled back at some point feels very anti football to me.

I want to know, most of the time, whether play is live. Not play on just in case something isn't given thirty seconds from now.
it's a good point about using an appeal to stop a counter attack, but you could have it that the counter attack is concluded before the original review is taken. it would be messy sometimes but most counter attacks fail anyway. it would be worth the bedding in period to find out how best to use the review system. give each team 1 per half (restored if successful) and they'd be a lot less likely to use them cynically.

the problem i have with the idea is that the power lies in the hands of the TV producer, and it's highly likely that sooner or later certain angles would mysteriously be unavailable. the camp nou would have very temperamental equipment at key moments in the CL, for example.
 
Unread 10-03-2017, 09:37 PM
Alex Jones was Right
 
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Bad news for journalists and sky sports news presenters. United getting a bad decision in their favour gives the media weeks of outraged coverage. They're £#%&!ed without such things to whip up hysteria.
 
Unread 10-03-2017, 09:58 PM
Billy Redface
 
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What if there are more than three calls?

Teams will also misuse their calls, then still complain about getting £#%&!ed over by a later decision.

Also, even when armed with a video, people will still disagree with lots of decisions. Howard Webb on BT talks utter shite over replays.
This.

The disruption of the game would not be offset by the opinion of another ref with the benefit of seeing the video.
 
Unread 10-03-2017, 10:30 PM
Cream
 
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Looks like the forum is split on this one: lads who have been to a match, lads who have not.

Hope we can reach a compromise.
 
Unread 11-03-2017, 01:46 AM
Chris Quayd
 
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It will result in swapping one problem with the game today; referees making obvious mistakes with a new problem of video referees not being consistent/showing common sense interpreting closer calls. Along with the news that half of the CL groups will be made up of teams from 4 countries it is another massive nail in the coffin of football.

Look forward to us winning one more Big Cup so I can stop watching this total shit show tbh.
 
Unread 11-03-2017, 07:09 AM
Denis Irwell
 
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It will result in swapping one problem with the game today; referees making obvious mistakes with a new problem of video referees not being consistent/showing common sense interpreting closer calls. Along with the news that half of the CL groups will be made up of teams from 4 countries it is another massive nail in the coffin of football.

Look forward to us winning one more Big Cup so I can stop watching this total shit show tbh.
Last para.. know the feeling but still won't because it's a lifetime habit

The FA get a £#%&!ing week to look at incidents and still £#%&! it up
 
Unread 11-03-2017, 08:26 AM
Zorg
 
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It will result in swapping one problem with the game today; referees making obvious mistakes with a new problem of video referees not being consistent/showing common sense interpreting closer calls. Along with the news that half of the CL groups will be made up of teams from 4 countries it is another massive nail in the coffin of football.

Look forward to us winning one more Big Cup so I can stop watching this total shit show tbh.
This.
 
Unread 11-03-2017, 09:04 AM
shenwen
 
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Last para.. know the feeling but still won't because it's a lifetime habit

The FA get a £#%&!ing week to look at incidents and still £#%&! it up
Exactly. It works in say Rugby League because the calls are simple: try or no try. Did the ball touch the floor or did a foot cross the line? Football already has that covered by goal line technology. The game has so many problems with interpretation and intention. It will be a disaster and will go the same way as penalties from the halfway line.
 
Unread 11-03-2017, 09:43 AM
believe
 
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Exactly. It works in say Rugby League because the calls are simple: try or no try. Did the ball touch the floor or did a foot cross the line? Football already has that covered by goal line technology. The game has so many problems with interpretation and intention. It will be a disaster and will go the same way as penalties from the halfway line.
But again I think people are overthinking it. Ball hits players chest and red gives a penalty for handball, team appeals and decision is overruled in seconds. Teams are not going to be appealing if they didn't get a corner they should have.
 
Unread 11-03-2017, 10:56 AM
Tumescent Throb
 
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But again I think people are overthinking it. Ball hits players chest and red gives a penalty for handball, team appeals and decision is overruled in seconds. Teams are not going to be appealing if they didn't get a corner they should have.
exactly. grounds to win the appeal presumably wouldn't be whether he meant to handball it. it would just be did it hit his hand or not. it would take seconds. if it did then the refs call stands.

whether a player was fouled or not is more difficult. the number of times a player is brought down by clipping the shin of a defender impeding his stride or his kicking foot rather than by actually tripping him is huge but rarely gets picked up by commentators on slow mo replays. then again, there are clear dives that trash the game.

opponents to video refs are right to say it wouldn't sort out all the issues without completely ruining the sport, but no-one wants all the issues sorting anyway, they just want each side to have a chance to stop a blatantly bent decision wrecking their week, or wrecking their season.

so what if another bent or just wrong decision might follow? if your first appeal was proved right you get another one anyway. are people really saying they wouldn't want suarez' ridiculous dive the other night to be over-turned by the video ref?
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