Jurgen Klinsmann in advanced talks to be England coach

Originally Posted by denis lawless

Thankyou Dan, Dan Walker there at Lancaster Gate......and now, tomorrows weather.......

...... with S/Side Red. So Siders, I hear its going to be a cold one?

"Well that depends on how you look at it.."

Oh for £#%&!s sake!....

What a joke our national team has become.

Originally Posted by utd99

What a joke our national team has become.

Henry Winter thinks he's your manager and thinks he's bigger than your national team

It is £#%&!ing baffling how he is allowed to go on national radio and claim he "talked tactics" with the players and "warned them" of Iceland's long throw but, "they ignored his humble advice"

Jamie Carragher pointed out that the players are too soft and pampered and not committed enough....This is the same idiot that stopped playing for England because he didn't fancy travelling, wasn't arsed sitting on the bench and said "I'd rather miss for England" in 2006, during a penalty shootout......And then people sit back and wonder what's going on with England.....That's the attitude of an English player right there.

It goes deeper than that obviously but, that's the tip of a massive iceberg. Hodgson is a £#%&!ing fraud and a £#%&!ing idiot but, other managers the national team had certainly weren't

Originally Posted by Clarkie

Henry Winter thinks he's your manager and thinks he's bigger than your national team

It is £#%&!ing baffling how he is allowed to go on national radio and claim he "talked tactics" with the players and "warned them" of Iceland's long throw but, "they ignored his humble advice"

He said that?

Originally Posted by Grimson

He said that?

On Talksport, he said they ignored "his and others' humble advice" in regards Iceland's long throw. He said he tried to warn them

Obviously I'm not English or a supporter of the national team but, it's bizarre the fallout from all this.

So many obvious issues and nowt being dealt with

Originally Posted by Billy Redface

...... with S/Side Red. So Siders, I hear its going to be a cold one?

"Well that depends on how you look at it.."

Oh for £#%&!s sake!....

What the hell.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

What the hell.

Shocking stuff from JC. Targeted and down right bloody rude.

Originally Posted by Grimson

I wouldn't think the problem is that English players aren't 'good' enough; I'd think it's that they all play in the Premier League, and the PL is very different to international tournament football. These differences put English players at a disadvantage. You look at those Danish and Greek teams, and every major league in Europe was represented. However 'good' they may or may not have been individually, they had more players with a wider range of football experience. That's pretty useful, I'd have thought, when you have to go from the patience of Italy to the precision of Spain to the dynamism of Germany, etc etc.

Back in the old days, you'd have a point. But the English league is a tremendous advantage for English players good enough to make it there. They experience a mix of players from around the world on a weekly basis, managed by people from all kinds of footballing cultures, and then you have them playing champions league as well. No English player comes across anything in an international tournament that is a surprise to them. It's just an excuse for England failing, not the cause. Same as the argument that foreigners should be limited, which is ridiculous.

It's not like the German and Spanish teams play all over Europe. Their experience is similar to the English players' in having the same exposure to foreign players in their own league on a weekly basis.

The wider issue is not developing enough players good enough for the top English clubs who have the pick of the world. The other issue is not managing them properly at intentional level. With belief England could have won a couple of international tournaments over the past 30 years. Belief is always lacking when the crunch comes against a big nation. When it matters most, England don't expect to win.

Originally Posted by Kangared

The media & fans have made it a chore to play for England . The pressure is suffocating the players . You see other teams loving the tournament & just happy to be there while England are burdened by unreal expectations , put on them by the media who whip the country into a frenzy at tournament time , & the same media carve them up when they fall short. The players these days, rightly or wrongly, all use social media & they see what is being said & wrote about them . Every one of those players is way better than they showed in France.

Surely the same for German, Spanish, French, Italian players? It's another excuse for not being good enough when it matters. The root cause, if this pressure is a contributing factor, is the management of the players. Players with belief would overcome rather than wilt. Like the Germans overcome the same pressure.

Also, German international football was in crisis a while ago with the decline of their players and team. Their authorities were able to sort if out within a decade. Something the English authorities have failed at for decades. That's the difference - the management of the overall situation with regards producing players, a lack of belief from the players on that stage, and managers cramming people into the team based on reputation rather than the best blend for the team.

Giving the English league a 3 or 4 week winter break probably would help as well.

Originally Posted by Buck

Big Sam won't have any time for these spoilt @#%&!s. He'll get those shower of c***s working their balls off, downgrading their egos as they do circuit training and military workouts. He'll get us playing 4-4-£#%&!ing 2 and make Rooney cry. Love Samuel.

Hope he sends Henry Winter packing too.

Or he has the same issue Moyes had at United.

With world cups in Russia and Qatar coming up, international football isn't worth bothering with anyway.

Big Sam

Think it's a good choice personally.

Big Sam For England

Da Hakk to Sunderland

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

Back in the old days, you'd have a point. But the English league is a tremendous advantage for English players good enough to make it there. They experience a mix of players from around the world on a weekly basis, managed by people from all kinds of footballing cultures, and then you have them playing champions league as well. No English player comes across anything in an international tournament that is a surprise to them. It's just an excuse for England failing, not the cause. Same as the argument that foreigners should be limited, which is ridiculous.

It's not like the German and Spanish teams play all over Europe. Their experience is similar to the English players' in having the same exposure to foreign players in their own league on a weekly basis.

The wider issue is not developing enough players good enough for the top English clubs who have the pick of the world. The other issue is not managing them properly at intentional level. With belief England could have won a couple of international tournaments over the past 30 years. Belief is always lacking when the crunch comes against a big nation. When it matters most, England don't expect to win.



Surely the same for German, Spanish, French, Italian players? It's another excuse for not being good enough when it matters. The root cause, if this pressure is a contributing factor, is the management of the players. Players with belief would overcome rather than wilt. Like the Germans overcome the same pressure.

Also, German international football was in crisis a while ago with the decline of their players and team. Their authorities were able to sort if out within a decade. Something the English authorities have failed at for decades. That's the difference - the management of the overall situation with regards producing players, a lack of belief from the players on that stage, and managers cramming people into the team based on reputation rather than the best blend for the team.

Giving the English league a 3 or 4 week winter break probably would help as well.



Or he has the same issue Moyes had at United.

With world cups in Russia and Qatar coming up, international football isn't worth bothering with anyway.

Doubt it. International football takes place more or less every two months so he won't have the time to piss them off as a club manager would seeing them every day. He could always take them to Butlins if morale is low.

It's about time we had a northerner manage England.

In the last 20 years we've had 1 and he didn't last a year. We all know the north is the home of English football, pretty much every great English player has come from the north.

I know it's been said a lot but there's only snobbery stopping Big Sam getting the job.

Originally Posted by Lok

It's about time we had a northerner manage England.

In the last 20 years we've had 1 and he didn't last a year. We all know the north is the home of English football, pretty much every great English player has come from the north.

I know it's been said a lot but there's only snobbery stopping Big Sam getting the job.

He's from Dudley.

Originally Posted by Dave

He's from Dudley.

With pure Scottish parents....


Love Big Sam though....

Love Big Sam.

But it's a dogshit appointment.

Looking from the outside in, and having no clue what I'm talking about. Your biggest problem is the media. Never ending trashy pressure from idiots who champion a rooted anti intellectualism.

you've just too many thick @#%&!s lol.

BFS teabags Klinsmann

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

Back in the old days, you'd have a point. But the English league is a tremendous advantage for English players good enough to make it there. They experience a mix of players from around the world on a weekly basis, managed by people from all kinds of footballing cultures, and then you have them playing champions league as well. No English player comes across anything in an international tournament that is a surprise to them. It's just an excuse for England failing, not the cause. Same as the argument that foreigners should be limited, which is ridiculous.

It's not like the German and Spanish teams play all over Europe. Their experience is similar to the English players' in having the same exposure to foreign players in their own league on a weekly basis.

German and Spanish players don't have to play anywhere else, because their domestic football much more closely matches international football than does the Premier League. My point is that stylistically the Premier League is something of a one-off. The frenetic pace might also have something to do with England players appearing exhausted by the time international tournaments roll around.

I think you'd be surprised if you counted the number of actual Champions League games played by England's players. cba to count, but a team with Dier, Alli, Rose, Walker, Kane, Smalling, Sterling, Sturridge - not many. Only Rooney, Cahill, and Hart I would think have serious experience.

Originally Posted by itisme_panaflex

Love Big Sam.

But it's a dogshit appointment.

Looking from the outside in, and having no clue what I'm talking about. Your biggest problem is the media. Never ending trashy pressure from idiots who champion a rooted anti intellectualism.

you've just too many thick c***s lol.

Yep

Originally Posted by Clarkie

On Talksport, he said they ignored "his and others' humble advice" in regards Iceland's long throw. He said he tried to warn them

Obviously I'm not English or a supporter of the national team but, it's bizarre the fallout from all this.

So many obvious issues and nowt being dealt with

Really? How is that obvious? Where are you from then?

Actually, scratch that - I thought you were someone else.

One good thing about Big Sam is for a group of young players who clearly buckled under pressure, he's the type who can build them up and block off the heat. For instance the likes of Stones, Barkley, Sterling, Oxlade Chamberlin and others who have it tough with their clubs, getting away to England can be an escape from the negativity. Big Sam for instance would clear Stones' head and get him on the straight and narrow very clearly.