Mourinho needs to be sacked TONIGHT

Originally Posted by AK14

Or..

And hear me out on this...

Give a manger more than a couple of years and allow him to sign the players he wants instead of letting the ceo use us like a save on championship manager before we lose our shit on an Internet forum

Better still, why don’t we look at the bigger picture and restructure how the club is run and let football men make the footballing decisions so we don’t jump between managers and their different philosophies wasting hundreds of millions on transfers in the process.

It doesn’t work that way though, does it? You can’t just ignore the trajectory the club is on and blindly say 3 years, 5 years, 10 years. Surely if the club is downspiralling then 3 more years is dereliction of duty.

We can say the owners and the board are incompetant and be right; we can also say the players are a £#%&!ing disgrace and be right, but three wrongs don’t make a right and the way Mourinho has gone about his business - decisions he’s made - has been horrible tbh. Players he’s bought have been underwhelming. Players he inherited he can’t get a game out of. Even his right hand man £#%&!ed off.

I think it’s fair to say that all of City, Liverpool and Spurs play better football than us, (yes I know we finished above two of them, but who finished 2nd, 3rd and 4th the last time we won the league, and more pertintently, who cares?) but even if you dispute that, it’s undeniable that they are significantly more optimistic and on a more desirable trend. What do they all have in common? Well for one the fact that they all have managers that came in and played football the right way even though they didn’t have the personnel to do it perfectly from day one; so they all suffered initially, but it’s really the only way to know who can and can’t play your system. Then you adjust and get the ones you want.

Guardiola figured out in short time he needed all new full backs because the ones he had were old, limited and past it. We have one of those and he was made captain. Liverpool were shit in defence, but Klopp played the same way regardless, now they’re looking much more complete. Would Fellaini get anywhere near the above mentioned teams? Do we even have a £#%&!ing system or is our manager just figuring out how to paper over our weaknesses on a game by game basis?

He complains he didn’t get the players he wanted this off season, but what about the ones he did get?
Are we supposed to just ignore the likes of Mkhitaryan? Pretend they didn’t happen? Woody’s a gormless @#%&! when it comes to football, but how is it his fault that Mourinho can’t get a game out of Pogba or Shaw? We have 5 centre backs; can he not get a decent pairing out of at least 2 of them? If he bought Alderweirald and MacGuire and it didn’t work, what he’s going to bitch that we need two more and it’s the board’s fault?

It’s £#%&!ing madness.

Originally Posted by AK14

Better still, why don’t we look at the bigger picture and restructure how the club is run and let football men make the footballing decisions so we don’t jump between managers and their different philosophies wasting hundreds of millions on transfers in the process.

The problem is that our manager can't spot a player and his 'philosophy' is shit. So you want us to bring in someone to deal with the first part. What do you intend to do about the second?

Originally Posted by utd99

It doesn’t work that way though, does it? You can’t just ignore the trajectory the club is on and blindly say 3 years, 5 years, 10 years. Surely if the club is downspiralling then 3 more years is dereliction of duty.

We can say the owners and the board are incompetant and be right; we can also say the players are a £#%&!ing disgrace and be right, but three wrongs don’t make a right and the way Mourinho has gone about his business - decisions he’s made - has been horrible tbh. Players he’s bought have been underwhelming. Players he inherited he can’t get a game out of. Even his right hand man £#%&!ed off.

I think it’s fair to say that all of City, Liverpool and Spurs play better football than us, (yes I know we finished above two of them, but who finished 2nd, 3rd and 4th the last time we won the league, and more pertintently, who cares?) but even if you dispute that, it’s undeniable that they are significantly more optimistic and on a more desirable trend. What do they all have in common? Well for one the fact that they all have managers that came in and played football the right way even though they didn’t have the personnel to do it perfectly from day one; so they all suffered initially, but it’s really the only way to know who can and can’t play your system. Then you adjust and get the ones you want.

Guardiola figured out in short time he needed all new full backs because the ones he had were old, limited and past it. We have one of those and he was made captain. Liverpool were shit in defence, but Klopp played the same way regardless, now they’re looking much more complete. Would Fellaini get anywhere near the above mentioned teams? Do we even have a £#%&!ing system or is our manager just figuring out how to paper over our weaknesses on a game by game basis?

He complains he didn’t get the players he wanted this off season, but what about the ones he did get?
Are we supposed to just ignore the likes of Mkhitaryan? Pretend they didn’t happen? Woody’s a gormless @#%&! when it comes to football, but how is it his fault that Mourinho can’t get a game out of Pogba or Shaw? We have 5 centre backs; can he not get a decent pairing out of at least 2 of them? If he bought Alderweirald and MacGuire and it didn’t work, what he’s going to bitch that we need two more and it’s the board’s fault?

It’s £#%&!ing madness.

Hard to disagree with any of that tbf.

But I think we need to get the structure above the manager right before we make the next appointment. Obviously if Mou’s positions becomes untenable then a decision would have to happen sooner rather than later (that time may have all ready come, the next few games will be telling) or if he isn’t happy with the restructure happening above him and he walks then fair enough.

Get the right people in place and let them make an appointment based on the vision and philosophy the club wants to take.

If say a Pochettino was available, then I’d back the club to go for it now and then restructure above him, but I don’t think there is and I’m concerned the club will look to someone cheap than approach a manager all ready with a job.

It’s a cluster £#%&! nqat and the blame is on all of them.

Originally Posted by TripDownMiseryLane

The Gryawnian's coverage of the mou mou misery is reaching new lows, they seem to be taking it in turns to have a pop everyday, Jamie coming into his own, the lurker off here showing why he's the bestest sports writer of all time and that @#%&! wilson getting in on the act today.

Growing up in utd's shadow has severely afflicted some sad little £#%&!s it seems

Ah yes, Paul "where are the goals going to come from?" Wilson. He should have been forcibly retired after that

Originally Posted by General Woundwort

The problem is that our manager can't spot a player and his 'philosophy' is shit. So you want us to bring in someone to deal with the first part. What do you intend to do about the second?

It’s not just about spoting players though is it

It’s having people making the footballing decisions who actually know what they’re doing. Unlike now where we've gone for three very different managers, all with very different outlooks on football and given them millions to sign completely different types of players leaving us with an unbalanced squad.

Doesn’t matter who the manager is when we’ve got people making footballing decisions who clearly don’t know what they’re doing. There will always be problems.

Originally Posted by AK14

Hard to disagree with any of that tbf.

But I think we need to get the structure above the manager right before we make the next appointment. Obviously if Mou’s positions becomes untenable then a decision would have to happen sooner rather than later (that time may have all ready come, the next few games will be telling) or if he isn’t happy with the restructure happening above him and he walks then fair enough.

Get the right people in place and let them make an appointment based on the vision and philosophy the club wants to take.

If say a Pochettino was available, then I’d back the club to go for it now and then restructure above him, but I don’t think there is and I’m concerned the club will look to someone cheap than approach a manager all ready with a job.

It’s a cluster £#%&! nqat and the blame is on all of them.

It is on all of them; but unfortunately for any manager the reality is that owners and board members rarely sack themselves and you can’t bin half a squad and start again overnight.

I’d have sympathy if Mourinho weren’t such an unsympathetic character.

Originally Posted by AK14

Doesn’t matter who the manager is when we’ve got people making footballing decisions who clearly don’t know what they’re doing.

The manager is one of those people. That's the biggest problem.

Originally Posted by utd99

It is on all of them; but unfortunately for any manager the reality is that owners and board members rarely sack themselves and you can’t bin half a squad and start again overnight.

I’d have sympathy if Mourinho weren’t such an unsympathetic character.

But they should be able to put the right people in charge of the football side of the club who know what they’re doing?

Maybe then we wouldn’t spend hundreds of millions in five years on three completely different managers and their different philosophies.

Originally Posted by My Name is Keith

Think it’s legitimate to question the structure above the manager when you’re on your third manager in 5 years. During which time the club’s academy has been overhauled, it’s scouting network, transfer policy and managerial appointments have all proved to be largely woeful and it’s football dna has been largely destroyed.

And it does make you reconsider previous arguments. I thought lvg was by and large shocking but lots of lvg joy boys at the time argued that he wasn’t and the club was at fault - many complained that a lot of his transfers during his time weren’t his. Perhaps they weren’t and perhaps he was always hamstrung by an unsupportive board?

Those issues don’t excuse how abysmal the football has been under mou mou, his life sucking cloak of misery is currently suffocating the whole club and I want him to be replaced quick sticks - preferably someone who smiles a bit and is enthusiastic. Nor does it excuse the shit that lvg served up - all three managers have failed. But you have to question more than just the manager when you’re soon to be on your 4th manager in 5 years.

It’s not revisionism, it’s pragmatism.

Great post mnik.

Originally Posted by General Woundwort

The manager is one of those people. That's the biggest problem.

I disagree that he’s the biggest problem at the club, he’s not blameless and the way he called out the youth players on the pre season tour was piss poor.

The biggest problem imo is the people above him making the decisions, decisions like letting three very different managers oversee the transition of the club and letting them spend hundreds of millions for players that fit their philosophies in a five year period leaving us with a very unbalanced squad.

It was never going to be easy after Fergie obviously, but the club have completely £#%&!ed up the transition and the same people are to be trusted in hiring the next manager, that is very worrying.

Originally Posted by AK14

The biggest problem imo is the people above him making the decisions, decisions like letting three very different managers oversee the transition of the club and letting them spend hundreds of millions for players that fit their philosophies in a five year period leaving us with a very unbalanced squad.

There's a director at the club who knows more about building a dynasty, and winning trophies, than anyone else in the land. Every club in Europe would kill to employ him as a DoF. He chose Moyes as his successor.

The key is getting the right manager in. If a manager proves his competence the board will back him, regardless of whether they know anything about football or not. With a bit of luck it will be fourth time lucky and the sooner they take another stab the better.

Originally Posted by General Woundwort

There's a director at the club who knows more about building a dynasty, and winning trophies, than anyone else in the land. Every club in Europe would kill to employ him as a DoF. He chose Moyes as his successor.

The key is getting the right manager in. If a manager proves his competence the board will back him, regardless of whether they know anything about football or not. With a bit of luck it will be fourth time lucky and the sooner they take another stab the better.

The trouble is the board seem to be backing managers who are showing their incompetence.

Sooner a DoF is appointed the better, until then we’ll continue with the guess work approach we’ve seen for the last five years.

You can sort of see the flawed logic of the appointments:

1. Moyes

Lets move seamlessly in to another long-term managerial appointment cut from the same cloth as the predecessor...bar the success.


2. LvG

Lurch away from the inexperience of appointment 1 with an experienced pair of hands to steady the ship and get us back challenging.


3. JM

Appointment 2 was well past his use-by date so who better than a manager who has been successful at every club he's managed. The fans are so desperate to be competitive they'll accept the awful football.


4. ??????

Appointment 3 had all the well know personality flaws exposed in an environment where his style of football brought him constant criticism.

Appoint young thrusting manager with modern ideas...don't properly support him with a restructured off-field DoF set-up...press slaughter him...board withdraw financial support...club sack him.



Rinse and repeat.

Originally Posted by tatty

You can sort of see the flawed logic of the appointments:

1. Moyes

Lets move seamlessly in to another long-term managerial appointment cut from the same cloth as the predecessor...bar the success.


2. LvG

Lurch away from the inexperience of appointment 1 with an experienced pair of hands to steady the ship and get us back challenging.


3. JM

Appointment 2 was well past his use-by date so who better than a manager who has been successful at every club he's managed. The fans are so desperate to be competitive they'll accept the awful football.


4. ??????

Appointment 3 had all the well know personality flaws exposed in an environment where his style of football brought him constant criticism.

Appoint young thrusting manager with modern ideas...don't properly support him with a restructured off-field DoF set-up...press slaughter him...board withdraw financial support...club sack him.



Rinse and repeat.

Point 4 needs owners/board that have a long term vision and clear plan of how the club moves forward on the football side and not just reach top 4 to keep the sponsors happy.

But we don't have that and never will under the gimps

Time to leave, Jose

We're been much better than against Brighton. Poor defending and finishing let us down.

Originally Posted by flixton

We're been much better than against Brighton. Poor defending and finishing let us down.

Considering the Brighton game was one of the worst performances of recent years, that's saying very little.

We worked hard up til the goal.

That's it.

We are as disjointed and lacking in confidence and direction as normal.

Originally Posted by flixton

We're been much better than against Brighton. Poor defending and finishing let us down.

you mean the two key aspects to winning a game?!

Originally Posted by Part 36 Offer

you mean the two key aspects to winning a game?!

Saffers

Saffers

Come out to play

Come on - you jester hat wearing shit house.