Official Match Thread .. Man Utd V Everton 8pm Bt sports ..

Originally Posted by TheFatGoth

Goalkick

https://streamable.com/c6rfl

Incredible.

Originally Posted by TheFatGoth

Goalkick

https://streamable.com/c6rfl

That was £#%&!ing ludicrous

Originally Posted by TheFatGoth

Goalkick

https://streamable.com/c6rfl

...and right in front of the £#%&!ing lino

But, but the refs are all in our pocket??

Originally Posted by Denis Irwell

...and right in front of the £#%&!ing lino

Linos are an absolutely spineless breed of bastard.

Originally Posted by TheFatGoth

Goalkick

https://streamable.com/c6rfl

Clear foul too.

I see Barkley was done for a dive in the first half and not booked.

20! Google it

Originally Posted by puressence

20! Google it

Why do you keep posting that you oaf?

Originally Posted by Part 36 Offer

Why do you keep posting that you oaf?

20 google it. Easy best run in Europe. Google that aswell

This shaking hands before the final whistle is absolute bullshit isn't it

Why the £#%&! does he do it? All very odd. Some of his mannerisms make you want to run him over.

Originally Posted by ZiggyStardust

The problem earlier on this season against the likes of Burnley and Stoke was that we weren't finishing the plethora of chances we were creating

Since the 2nd leg against Hull the problem is much more serious as we're just not creating as many clear chances as we should be
This is due to a complete loss of confidence in pretty much all our attacking players

We are still the better side in these games and should be winning them by the odd goal like we did under LvG at home when we'd nick a lot of wins from 1 or 2 clear chances

Personally I blame that something tells me song
Since that aired at Hull we've been absolute dogshit

Also we'd need De Gea to pull of a succession of incredible saves to keep us from losing or drawing games under Van Gaal....these days you barely know he's on the pitch..

Originally Posted by Part 36 Offer

Why do you keep posting that you oaf?

Because he's a @#%&!

Originally Posted by dunk

Personally thought there was far more interchanging and flexibility in the front line under LvG, when it was working, than under Mourinho at any point thus far. Full backs had more freedom to attack under LvG as well.

It's a miracle we created £#%&! all and were so dull to watch then.

Originally Posted by andyroo

All very true no doubt but we're basically comparing two flawed systems that have both been marked by their sterility. Either way we just don't score enough goals.

Which is better?

The one that creates the most chances. It wasn't the system or the way they setup that saw so many good chances missed this season. It was the finishing of the individual. No manager can be blamed for supposed good players missing so many good chances.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

But the point a lot of people miss is that Van Gaal's aim is to create automatism. Coaches like him want to train the players to be able to think fully for themselves..

His wet dream is a scenario whereby he drills them so relentlessly that he barely has to open his mouth during the season.

That's training them to think for themselves? Sounds like training them to be programmed robots to me.

Originally Posted by TheFatGoth

Goalkick

https://streamable.com/c6rfl

It should be impossible for a referee and assistant to see this and rule goal kick. It's batshit ridiculous in the determination not to give us a chance in the last few minutes. Mourinho's fault, obviously.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

That's training them to think for themselves? Sounds like training them to be programmed robots to me.

Some may view it that way. Indeed Bielsa - a Van Gaal disciple - famously said that if football were played by robots, he'd win everything.

But the approach very often yields the best from flair players, such as Martial last season. It's a misconception that it's overly restrictive.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

The one that creates the most chances. It wasn't the system or the way they setup that saw so many good chances missed this season. It was the finishing of the individual. No manager can be blamed for supposed good players missing so many good chances.

This is becoming an overstated point tbh. Yeah a few draws in Autumn United missed a shedload. In recent months - and especially across the last month - we've just played poorly. That's the main reason we haven't been winning enough matches.

Though imperfect, I don't think the issue lies with the formation, team selection or overall quality of the players.

So many times, the door has been open for us to move up the table and we just haven't walked through it. The players have bottled it each time. Liverpool (H), Hull (H), Bournemouth (H), West Brom and Everton - bottled all of them.

When there are no excuses for us not to win, we don't perform (see also City at home and Chelsea away earlier in the season). The only exception was the Spurs game.

Mentally, the players are lacking the confidence and courage to take that next step.

Originally Posted by dunk

Personally thought there was far more interchanging and flexibility in the front line under LvG, when it was working, than under Mourinho at any point thus far. Full backs had more freedom to attack under LvG as well.

Ah right, 1 game in 5 if we were lucky then

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

Ah right, 1 game in 5 if we were lucky then

It was usually 20-30 minutes a game, either at the start and petering out or after going behind.. then the breakthrough wouldn't come and the heads would drop and they'd run out of ideas and confidence and spend the rest of the time huffing and puffing...

Fortunately the significant outlay on attacking personnel in the summer fixed this issue which was obviously entirely down to the previous regime's management.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

if football were played by robots, he'd win everything.

"do you think the teams cancelled each other out?"

*sigh*

haven't you got any other questions?



little steps, though. start easy. we should be able to programme a robot to provide giggs's co-commentary, at least.

Originally Posted by Whip Hubley

Absolute bunch of mattress protectors.

Someones read the masters thread