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Originally Posted by Billy Redface
Nah, I'd still go back to the manager's methods. LVG is notorious for being divisive. It maybe seems this way now to breaking point.
If they aren't responding, why? I assume the influential ones are the likes of Rooney, Carrick etc the ones who are accustomed to a certain standard. I think if a manager reflected what they're used to, they'd respond.
You use Moyes as the example. Rio, Vidic, even, rvp etc. If they say Moyes is shit then my instinct is to wonder what's wrong with Moyes. I really doubt those top pros who are winners would have the same immediate issue with José mourinho. We seem to just say 'if the players don't like it they can £#%&! off'. Really? Are we not at all alarmed that well functioning class players are now worried about the man at the helm?
The disapproval of lvg doesn't seem to be hatred from the players. Just a lack of faith. Based on output. Which is what it all boils down to.
Assuming the opposite and it's the players, then it damn near all of them because all bar one or two have either regressed or don't seem to give a shit.
Either way, it still comes back to the boss. He's either wrong or can't get the players on side. And it's too many players who look shit for it to be one or two bad eggs.
And once it's gone, it's gone. Look at us in more general terms. Devoid of life. Completely depressing. Something needs to change. It's either one manager or 20 players.
He has to go. And this comes from someone who really thought he would succeed.
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Yes, it's probably a simple disconnect, nothing personal. LvG has spent a career working with players of a much higher standard than the ones we have and achieved great results. If you hire him expecting him to pander to players by continuing what they had before, you hire the wrong guy. He's going to change everything, which will come as a shock to many players and plenty won't like it.
It will be the same with Pep at City. He'll be a whirlwind going through that club and his success will depend on whether the players follow him, just like Van Gaal. I expect a key aspect of his success will be to eliminate influential players who he suspects won't follow him. Toure is 100% finished there. LvG probably didn't get that quite right. Backed the wrong players and didn't get his own personalities.
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Originally Posted by jem
the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
the football is shit. even when the concept is successful in terms of results, it's not the sort of football I dream about. soz. clearly, you get your enjoyment from opta, but I get mine from magic moments.
martial bursting past two players beats valencia passing inside to jones.
I realise I must bd #@&%!ed for not buying into the shit philosophy.  |
Yeah, the merits of the philosophy are not in question. Sorry. Louis Van Gaal did not become one of the most influential managers in the history of the game by playing sterile, dull football. His 25-year club career is littered with great football.
The stuff you hear about his approach being too negative, him being a fraud etc - all %@#$&!s. If United were playing LvG's way the fans would love it, like they loved us going to Anfield and playing them off the park in a way we hadn't done for 20 years. But we've rarely looked like an LvG team. There have been glimpses and the framework has been recognisable, but it's just not happened. The Philosophy is not the failure, the failure is not being able to effectively implement it. It's a pity, because if it'd worked it would have been great to see.
21-02-2016, 09:50 AM
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