United players unhappy with tactics

love the guys on the forum who have direct access to the players coaches and media ... why are you on this site lads

Originally Posted by jem

I was happy.

the football was good, but still.....

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Yeah, but I think there will always be gaps in this team. You just hope they're not absolutely huge, like on Sunday. And you also hope that the defenders are able to actually defend, unlike Sunday. Saw the goals last night for the first time since the game. Yeah Arsenal did well but the defending is embarrassing.

Originally Posted by jem

no. last season at anfield we were wide open at the back with little midfield cover and liverpool lacked the composure, common sense and talent to take advantage of their several runs at the defence. if lallana's shot had gone just the other side of the post.......

Oh Jem. We battered them. Clearly LVG identified before the game that they lacked common sense, composure and talent. The talent part was obvious tbf.

Originally Posted by jem

no. last season at anfield we were wide open at the back with little midfield cover and liverpool lacked the composure, common sense and talent to take advantage of their several runs at the defence. if lallana's shot had gone just the other side of the post.......

Alright enough.

That's enough. Take a break.

Originally Posted by itisme_panaflex

Alright enough.

That's enough. Take a break.

Jem spent so much time arguing with throb he became him.

Originally Posted by General Woundwort

Oh Jem. We battered them. Clearly LVG identified before the game that they lacked common sense, composure and talent. The talent part was obvious tbf.

I wish he'd worked out on Sunday that United lack common sense, composure and talent.

Originally Posted by saffers

If there are dark forces trying to undermine LvG then that has to come into play when judging his actions in the job. Really hope Giggs and co aren't being snides to a guy who has done nothing but shower him with praise.

he couldn't wait to get the class of 92 in when Moyes got the bullet. I don't want him as manager, loads of ex players had to cut their teeth at other clubs why should he get the hot seat?

I'm not totally hostile to the idea, of course he was one of our greatest players and it'd be ace if it worked out, but Jesus that's a big if. Would like to see him coaching the U21s first and see how he gets on, this mentoring thing is a bit daft.

Yeah that vid, while it's hardly going to be comprehensive, wasn't exactly encouraging. To be quite honest what I got from it is that Nicky looks more like managerial material.

Originally Posted by andyroo

Yeah that vid, while it's hardly going to be comprehensive, wasn't exactly encouraging. To be quite honest what I got from it is that Nicky looks more like managerial material.

maybe we should consider him.

Originally Posted by Denis Irwell

but he did play for United tbf fuzzy, and has a bit of a clue about the club - nothing conclusive (what is, apart from managing?) but he isn't Lee Cattermole in a United kit.

Pep? How long would he stay if he even got the gig? He had it all at Barca and couldn't cope.

i think you might be coming from a sentimental perspective? which is what I am suggesting to avoid.

Re: Pep. 3 years at most. Can't expect anything more in this day & age.

Originally Posted by Denis Irwell

but he did play for United tbf fuzzy, and has a bit of a clue about the club - nothing conclusive (what is, apart from managing?) but he isn't Lee Cattermole in a United kit.

Pep? How long would he stay if he even got the gig? He had it all at Barca and couldn't cope.

He won 9 major honours in 4 years. Think I could just about cope with similar.

Think a lot of United fans and maybe the club themselves need to get this 'long term manager' obsession out of their heads. The likes of Fergie/Wenger are definitely exceptions to the rule. If you can get a good 3 years out of a manager these days - you're doing well.

Originally Posted by itisme_panaflex

i think you might be coming from a sentimental perspective? which is what I am suggesting to avoid.

Re: Pep. 3 years at most. Can't expect anything more in this day & age.

not at all mate - enough sentimental failures in the past but if he never gets a crack at it we'll never know. It's the likes of GNev, Becks, Scholes etc that I'd object to.

Maybe that;s right??? I think it was Ancelotti or Capello the other day saying jose had done his dash again after 2/3 years. Players stop listening after a while. Probably where fergie was clever in delegating and having a turnover of assistants.

Originally Posted by TheFatGoth

He won 9 major honours in 4 years. Think I could just about cope with similar.

Think a lot of United fans and maybe the club themselves need to get this 'long term manager' obsession out of their heads. The likes of Fergie/Wenger are definitely exceptions to the rule. If you can get a good 3 years out of a manager these days - you're doing well.

Yep - who wouldn't? ...... but would he?

Three years? Twenty years? Could there possibly be a middle ground?

I'm not convinced about Giggs but we'll never know if he doesn't get a shot at it.... and furthermore, where do you call time on it? That applies to Pep or anyone else too. Was Pep a sentimental choice at barca? There comes a point where you have to give the guy a go or go for a "dead cert" like Pep or Klopp who were untried before they showed they could do the job.

Originally Posted by General Woundwort

Oh Jem. We battered them. Clearly LVG identified before the game that they lacked common sense, composure and talent. The talent part was obvious tbf.

well, he certainly misunderestimated arsenal.

Originally Posted by Norm

Funny you say that because Beckham was on sky today saying he hopes Giggs gets the job after LVG.

Nope. He said he thinks he could be manager in 5 to 10 years.

Originally Posted by Sufferin Succotash

Nope. He said he thinks he could be manager in 5 to 10 years.

Ah, interesting - is there an actual quote here?

Originally Posted by elephantstone

he couldn't wait to get the class of 92 in when Moyes got the bullet. I don't want him as manager, loads of ex players had to cut their teeth at other clubs why should he get the hot seat?

Indeed. With different timing it could easily have been Robson, Keane, Hughes, Bruce walking into the assistant job when they retired from playing, with no managerial experience but being touted for the job because of their connection to the club and fans.

Keane and Robson were both touted as future united managers when they retired. I was desperate for robson to come back and manage us one day. But they had the disadvantage of actually having to to out and manage eslewhere first, thus £#%&!ing up their chances. And they both started off in management successfully. I see no reason to place Giggs above either of them.

Originally Posted by Denis Irwell

I'm not convinced about Giggs but we'll never know if he doesn't get a shot at it.... and furthermore, where do you call time on it?

There's this middle ground where novice managers start at smaller clubs and build up as they progress. I don't know any industry where a novice walks into the top job. It's not like united gave ferguson his first managerial chance. This Giggs stuff is just emotional nonsense.

Is Ole still managing?

Originally Posted by dunk

Need to ditch the dissenters then. Carrick, Rooney and Giggs out.

This and This and This.

Originally Posted by atticusgrinch

Jem spent so much time arguing with throb he became him.

Finally.