Sir Alex - would he have won another title?

Originally Posted by Stickman

Agree on the 2nd part.

The fact he won’t say a bad word about them even now makes me think they’ve got stuff on him, or he’s concerned about looking like a hypocrite for not doing it sooner.

The Glazers made the 99 questions disappear.

Who was the Paisley that Fergie could/should have passed it on to?

Shankly to Paisley is an anomaly, and incredibly unfair to expect of anyone. I can think of far more examples of assistant managers taking over and being failures, than taking over and being incredible successes.

Originally Posted by Ethers

Who was the Paisley that Fergie could/should have passed it on to?

Shankly to Paisley is an anomaly, and incredibly unfair to expect of anyone. I can think of far more examples of assistant managers taking over and being failures, than taking over and being incredible successes.

Originally Posted by Mr Kaboom

The Glazers made the 99 questions disappear.

They disappeared when he settled the court case long before. Though the whole episode is what triggered the Glazers, at one point Gill was actively encouraging the Glazers to buy shares to head off a hostile takeover from Coolmore. Great job pal

Originally Posted by Ethers

Who was the Paisley that Fergie could/should have passed it on to?

Shankly to Paisley is an anomaly, and incredibly unfair to expect of anyone. I can think of far more examples of assistant managers taking over and being failures, than taking over and being incredible successes.

Pretty much shows that he was just being him and not lining up a legacy then.

depends who we would have signed. the likes of fabregas or bale would have bolstered our squad a lot. but then we would have been contending with a city side that had the likes of aguero, kompany and toure in their absolute prime.

certainly wouldn't have finished 7th though

Originally Posted by 92ToBury

Pretty much shows that he was just being him and not lining up a legacy then.

Strange thing to hold against him tbh.

“Yeah you were the most successful manager of all time Sir Alex, but what about your legacy?”

Originally Posted by Ethers

Strange thing to hold against him tbh.

“Yeah you were the most successful manager of all time Sir Alex, but what about your legacy?”

I don't doubt that Mou would have been much more successful in the two post-Fergie seasons but once it all went to shit in the third and beyond people would have accused Fergie of the same regarding his legacy. Moyes was obviously the worst possible choice but there were no good options, we were a shell of a club once the heartbeat retired.

Originally Posted by Ethers

Strange thing to hold against him tbh.

“Yeah you were the most successful manager of all time Sir Alex, but what about your legacy?”

Stating a fact. Were you happy with Moyes or how quickly we fell to pieces as credible title contenders?

Originally Posted by Chris Quayd

I don't doubt that Mou would have been much more successful in the two post-Fergie seasons but once it all went to shit in the third and beyond people would have accused Fergie of the same regarding his legacy. Moyes was obviously the worst possible choice but there were no good options, we were a shell of a club once the heartbeat retired.

Ancelotti, Mourinho and Guardiola all changed jobs in 2013

we ended up with moyes.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Ancelotti, Mourinho and Guardiola all changed jobs in 2013

we ended up with moyes.

Right but Mou and probably Ancelloti would have been good options for a few years only while by all accounts both Guardiola and Klopp ran a mile. We were a club built for success under Fergie only and even with the best owners in the world it would have been hard to manage the transition if the starting point was 2013.

This isn't to excuse the Glazers, allowing Moyes to run the club was certifiable madness. But the only way to have had a successful transition and not just papering the cracks post Fergie with the odd pot would have been by putting in a structure around Ferguson in his last few years. Arsenal tried doing that with Wenger and even then it was largely a failure. It was an uphill battle no matter what for us but of course having the least competent and least arsed owners made that battle all but impossible.

can we just nip this in the bud? moyes was a predictable disaster, as a charisma vacuum, but there is no time and no circumstances that mourinho would have been right for united.

Originally Posted by jem

can we just nip this in the bud? moyes was a predictable disaster, as a charisma vacuum, but there is no time and no circumstances that mourinho would have been right for united.

other than that the fact that he's been the most successful manager we've had since ferguson?

Loathe the custodian of 13th place in Serie A as much as anyone, but to be fair to him he signed some decent players at Chelsea before he finally cracked for the last time. Diego Costa + Fabreas both very good players of the sort we were crying out for.

Then again .. he did sell both De Bruyne & Salah on while he was there too

Originally Posted by Sparky***

other than that the fact that he's been the most successful manager we've had since ferguson?

results are not everything. porto beat united.

Originally Posted by jem

results are not everything. porto beat united.

And went on to win the Champions League....

Originally Posted by 92ToBury

And went on to win the Champions League....

do you think you are arguing with or reinforcing my point?

mourinho has been successful, if you just count trophies. by other measures, he ruined football. the idea that he was ever a fit for united is a disgusting concept made only more horrible by the brutal reality that it somehow actually £#%&!ing happened.

Rooney wouldn't have been there. He would have got more out of RvP. But several players were coming to an end. Zaha excepted there wasn't much long term planning in that last season.

Bizarre place this. Most successful manager of all time and you blame him for what follows. His obligation was to to do the best he could with what he had. He did.

Originally Posted by NedKelly

He was a draw in and of himself - players wanted to play for him. Furthermore the standards he upheld were never really dropped. Sure the quality of player may have been a bit less than a few years prior but every one of them had to give their all on the pitch. Then there’s the intimidation factor - teams were beaten before they even made it on the pitch.

Yeah, I’m thinking he would have.

Yes so am I, 2015/16 instead of, Leicester nqat!