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Unread 05-10-2023, 08:41 AM
magic_cantona
 
Question Sir Alex - would he have won another title?

When SAF left, the squad he left needed an overhaul. Now, I'm not asking if he'd have done better than Moyes that season but with everything that needed rebuilding, would he have won another league title before he got sacked?

Other questions:

Did he know how bad the situation (financially) was going to get so he knew he was going to struggle to renew his squad?

Did he realise that we just couldn't compete long term against City under the Glazers?

Would the Glazers have dicked him like they did Moyes in the transfer window or would he have got what he wanted?

Things wouldn't have been as bad if he stayed on, NQAT but to what degree?

Lastly, a bit more awkward:

Is SAF culpable with the Glazers, knew what was coming and kept his mouth shut because all he's interested in is chasing the Yankee dollar?
 
Unread 05-10-2023, 08:49 AM
VanHaaksbergen
 
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Yes.
Had he stayed for a few more seasons (basically through the Moyes + LVG tenure) then with some mild surgery maybe not the next season, but 15/16 was definitely up for grabs. 14/15 maybe.
By the time Guardiola + Klopp swung around a whole new team would have been needed and he'd probably have been at the end of the cycle anyway.

Hodgson's still managing at 76; he obviously thought the time was right to go but not unfathomable he could have been winning titles in his 70s.
 
Unread 05-10-2023, 08:51 AM
NedKelly
 
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He was a draw in and of himself - players wanted to play for him. Furthermore the standards he upheld were never really dropped. Sure the quality of player may have been a bit less than a few years prior but every one of them had to give their all on the pitch. Then there’s the intimidation factor - teams were beaten before they even made it on the pitch.

Yeah, I’m thinking he would have.
 
Unread 05-10-2023, 08:52 AM
believe
 
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Yes and he wouldn't have made excuses about being hamstrung by only being allowed to sign three players a season.
 
Unread 05-10-2023, 08:55 AM
shenwen
 
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Of course he would

Could have benefited from being 10 years younger but no way he doesn't build a better team than what Moyes, LVG and Mou managed. Having the same manager would have spared us the cycle of rebuilds and the sheer number of shit @#%&!s those managers signed. I also get the feeling he wouldn't have tolerated some of the fannies we've had over the past decade.
 
Unread 05-10-2023, 09:04 AM
Jethro
 
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With the team he left? 100%
 
Unread 05-10-2023, 09:10 AM
Dasilvatwins
 
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Yes and he wouldn't have made excuses about being hamstrung by only being allowed to sign three players a season.
No he wouldn’t have “made excuses” , he would have gone to talk about being no value in the worldwide market of football
 
Unread 05-10-2023, 09:13 AM
VanHaaksbergen
 
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No he wouldn’t have “made excuses” , he would have gone to talk about being no value in the worldwide market of football
Won 2 titles in 3 years after making that comment.
 
Unread 05-10-2023, 09:15 AM
Stickman
 
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Yes I think he would have, he wouldn’t have retained it though the Moyes season without a couple of significant signings.

Wasn’t there talk of Ronaldo being keen to come back if SAF had stayed on? Obviously would have been a game changer too.
 
Unread 05-10-2023, 09:16 AM
believe
 
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No he wouldn’t have “made excuses” , he would have gone to talk about being no value in the worldwide market of football
He made more than three "senior" signings five times in 26 years. Don't remember him talking about value in the market that much.
 
Unread 05-10-2023, 09:26 AM
Bunker Buster
 
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Th next season yes (pretending his heart was fully in it)

He also shares huge blame for the glazers, it actually tarnishes his legacy a little...
 
Unread 05-10-2023, 09:29 AM
Stickman
 
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Th next season yes (pretending his heart was fully in it)

He also shares huge blame for the glazers, it actually tarnishes his legacy a little...
Agree on the 2nd part.

The fact he won’t say a bad word about them even now makes me think they’ve got stuff on him, or he’s concerned about looking like a hypocrite for not doing it sooner.
 
Unread 05-10-2023, 09:29 AM
Arnold Muhren
 
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With a fit and up for it Rio, Evra, Vidic Rooney and RVP etc? 100% nailed on.
 
Unread 05-10-2023, 09:38 AM
The taste of...
 
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Yep

Although can’t remember if RVP was long term injured that year

He’d have developed Zaha

He definitely knew what was coming and wanted to go out a winner though

Horse £#%&!

I wonder if Motes might have if he’d have kept the back room in place
#@&%!.
 
Unread 05-10-2023, 09:50 AM
magic_cantona
 
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It's his stance, or lack of, on the Glazers which sours the while thing for me. Who knows, maybe he will come out when it finally reaches tipping point with the club but its already gone too far. I'd kill to know how balls deep he is. It's gutting tbh.

But yeah, even though that squad needed a midfield, it's staggering how badly Moyes £#%&!ed everything. Pretty sure if Ferie was there, it's would've been Kroos and not Fellaini, that's for £#%&!ing sure.
 
Unread 05-10-2023, 09:55 AM
Bunker Buster
 
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He us also FULLY culpable for Moyes, a point missed by many, it's documented he met him a year before his Everton renewal and advised him he had the United job ..

:loco
Wtf.....

Was his mind going ? Was it snide legacy protection.... David £#%&!ing Moyes...
 
Unread 05-10-2023, 10:03 AM
Stickman
 
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Legacy protection. His ego is huge, i’m not convinced he’d have wanted Mourinho to come in after him and retain.
 
Unread 05-10-2023, 10:04 AM
Baron
 
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He us also FULLY culpable for Moyes, a point missed by many, it's documented he met him a year before his Everton renewal and advised him he had the United job ..

:loco
Wtf.....

Was his mind going ? Was it snide legacy protection.... David £#%&!ing Moyes...
He literally gave him a job based on his nationality, £#%&! all else.

One of the biggest disgraces in football history.

I actually think he chucked his toys out of the pram because he couldn't sign Bale & saw United on a downward trajectory under the owners we had.

He would've killed to sign peak Cavani who went to PSG the same summer as well. We needed more firepower after RVP fired us to the title the year before.
 
Unread 05-10-2023, 10:18 AM
VanHaaksbergen
 
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The Moyes move was indeed very, very strange indeed. Held none of the traits that made SAF successful other than an accent. Self-sabotage.
 
Unread 05-10-2023, 10:21 AM
Stickman
 
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The Moyes move was indeed very, very strange indeed. Held none of the traits that made SAF successful other than an accent. Self-sabotage.
Cut from the same cloth innit
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