Realistically, what do we have to do to be as good as Real Madrid?

Originally Posted by lindelof

This line has been bandied about since 2013 and is getting a little tiresome now.

But if you think about its spot on

Utd need to become a team that doesn't need 4-5 players each summer but just 1-2 top drawer players to replace and improve the team.
That's what Madrid are at the moment.
We should have done this from the last CL win but instead penny pinched and well the rest is history.

Originally Posted by AK14

It's a fact though...

Changing managers every two years doesn't help much. also all three managers have had different ideas on how they want us to play so we've basically been hitting reset every time we change manager.

A common theme amongst these 3 managers is that they all seem to favour "safe", "experienced", "obeys instructions" journeymen type dross like Fellaini and Darmian in their teams. Until that changes it's hard to see us dominating the competitions that matter. Footballing cowards who never take the initiative can still dominate the Europa and League cup though

Another passing midfielder, better balanced defence + a winger.

Youd imagine if Aurier comes in and Shaw comes back fully fit our backline will be completely transformed. Bailly and Rojo also to come back in, Lindelof will need time to settle in and Rojo's performances in the 2nd half of last season were superb.

Originally Posted by Denis Irwell

Don't be £#%&!ing stupid

It's true.

Originally Posted by saffers

Another passing midfielder, better balanced defence + a winger.

Yep, a midfielder that can control the game would go along way to solving our problems imo

Herrera and Poggers seem too similar, both better as box to box players.

So when do we stop becoming a team 'in transition'? How many more year are we going to give it?


Genuine question.

Originally Posted by lindelof

So when do we stop becoming a team 'in transition'? How many more year are we going to give it?


Genuine question.

With the same manager

1-2 years.

Originally Posted by AK14

Yep, a midfielder that can control the game would go along way to solving our problems imo

Herrera and Poggers seem too similar, both better as box to box players.

I think it sums up our progress that we can now actually compete(once we moved away from 5 at the back) with a team that has won 3 CLs in the last 4 seasons.

Very positive. The players who didnt turn up yesterday will also be buzzing despite it being a chastening experience at times in that 1st half.

Originally Posted by AK14

With a decent manager

1-2 years.

Edited

Originally Posted by lindelof

So when do we stop becoming a team 'in transition'? How many more year are we going to give it?


Genuine question.

It depends what level you're talking about.

We've been in the champions league once in the last 4 years, so obviously that level is a bit further than the next step for us

the next step is to be top dogs in england again. we'll stop being a team in transition when we properly challenge for the league. and i'm not talking about being top in £#%&!ing december. i mean going into april and we're within touching distance of the top.

Originally Posted by AK14

With the same manager

1-2 years.

So can we confirm that, at the end of the this year, we are no longer 'in transition'.


Or, if we don't win the Premier League, will people still say we are in transition?

Originally Posted by believe

Edited

Mourinho actually building something, clearly for once we are transitioning to something.

Can see us @#%&!ting west ham on sunday to start the season off with a bang.

Originally Posted by lindelof

So can we confirm that, at the end of the this year, we are no longer 'in transition'.


Or, if we don't win the Premier League, will people still say we are in transition?

Even if we win the league we're still in transition. Winning this league doesnt make you a great team. Let mourinho be mourinho

Originally Posted by lindelof

So can we confirm that, at the end of the this year, we are no longer 'in transition'.


Or, if we don't win the Premier League, will people still say we are in transition?

You can confirm what ever you want

It's an opinion on an Internet forum...

Sign Fabinho and Perisic and I think we can compete with the best, change the above 2 for Herrera and Lingard last night and we would have had a better result, signing those 2 would make us stronger than signing Bale would.

Originally Posted by ziggyman17

Sign Fabinho and Perisic and I think we can compete with the best, change the above 2 for Herrera and Lingard last night and we would have had a better result, signing those 2 would make us stronger than signing Bale would.

Been really put off by seeing bale against last night, obviously just a season curtain raiser but understand now with his injuries and how isco plays why he has been playing and scoring less. Since 2013 year on year he plays less, scores less, plays worse.

Rooney had more assists and goals than bale last season. Keep in mind rooney was frozen out for large parts of the season.

Originally Posted by saffers

Mourinho actually building something, clearly for once we are transitioning to something.

Can see us @#%&!ting west ham on sunday to start the season off with a bang.

Oh I 100% agree, I was more referring to the previous manager who was here two years and managed to transition us backwards.

Originally Posted by saffers

Mourinho actually building something, clearly for once we are transitioning to something...... Let mourinho be mourinho

this is the problem, not the solution.

Originally Posted by jem

this is the problem, not the solution.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by jem

this is the problem, not the solution.

Looking forward to the next 3 years of Jem banging his agenda against Mourinho on a daily basis.

Really don't get how you can advocate criticising mourinho given the squad he was left with. I've never seen a more spineless Utd team. His priority has blatantly been to add charisma, hunger, muscle and fight into the squad.

And to call our players hard workers and order following robots is kinda ridiculous. If anything our team is too focused on intuition right now.

Mhki's first instinct is to try an ambitious pass or run towards goal, Martial and Rashford immediately try to beat a defender and run into his legs, Pogba is trying to do everything, Lingard plays it safe - thats the players personalities shining through, not orders from above.

The next step has to be to nurture and channel that intuition in the right way and help the players use each others strengths and more organised, deliberate attacks can contribute to that.

Back mourinho and keep investing in the team like top clubs such as Madrid do. Also get the youth development system sorted properly. It's not that difficult if the will and finance is there.

Originally Posted by Red Al

We should have done this from the last CL win but instead penny pinched and well the rest is history.

The problem is once we get to that stage, and we're where the Glazers want us, the penny pinching will begin again.

We'll always be one player short of our very best under our ownership. They'll never go the extra mile to make us a dominant fore. Competing and winning some is enough. That's where being owned by the support or an owner disinterested in profit benefits some teams.

Originally Posted by Ranier Wolfcastle

A common theme amongst these 3 managers is that they all seem to favour "safe", "experienced", "obeys instructions" journeymen type dross like Fellaini and Darmian in their teams. Until that changes it's hard to see us dominating the competitions that matter. Footballing cowards who never take the initiative can still dominate the Europa and League cup though

You realise our current manger has won 2 European cups, right?

Originally Posted by dunk

Exactly.

So who's this magical manager who isn't mourinho?