The exodus begins...

Schweinsteger and Ibramiovic would have been top signings.....



in 2009.

Originally Posted by Billy Redface

I think Schweinstiger being ostracised is harsh, but the others can have no complaints.

Darmian started ok and, if any of them were to turn it around, I'd say it would be him.

Depay and Schneiderlen have been massive disappointments. Both looked good signings at the time.

Depay has disappeared up his own arse and looks less than useless and Schneiderlen just doesn't seem to have the mentality to play for us. Shame, because his attributes (they are there. We just haven't seen much of them) are exactly suited to what we need to right now.

He's blowing his chance.

It's all very well saying they need time, but they had plenty of games last year and have clearly made no impression on the new manager in 4 months working with him.

If shifting them out is the start of an exodus and reshaping of something resembling a Mourinho side, then so be it

Oh, and just because Fellaini is shite and needs to go, doesn't mean we shouldn't sell anyone else until we do. He likes him. He's staying. Get used to it. Let's deal with the other shit in the side.

Lvg seemed to pride himself in 'training players brains' yet he's been responsible for signing a plethora of spineless shit bags who has just shrugged their way through their limited United career.

Falcao flopped. Rojo, Depay, Schwine, Schneiderlen, Romero and Darmian could all leave tomorrow and nothing would change and di Maria is quite possibly the worst transfer in football history.

And the common theme (Schweinstiger aside) ? Bottle jobs. The lot of them.

Martial and Blind have been good signings and even the latter divides opinion.

2 from 10.

I'm not counting Shaw as he was set up before he arrived.

Sparky created the 'mental fragility' thread and it really is true. We gain a little bit of confidence from wins and that quickly ebbs away as soon as we make (another) fundamental error.

Look at Sunday, we came into off the back of a 4-1 win, a disciplined creditable draw in a game we expected to lose and carried on a run of about six game unbeaten.

3 indivual errors in the opening 30 seconds and we're done.

Defeat. 4-0. Thumped.

It could take another 2 or 3 weeks to pick us back up again after that.

It's not all the players ofcourse. It's a combination of things. The aura of invincibility went as soon as Fergie did and we hired that wrinkled, soiled zombie mess in his place. It was open season from there and that transmits. Throw in players who just aren't up for the fight or can't handle the stage and it sets you back years.

I liked lvg. I like lvg. He had good ideas, but made too many mistakes and we're sorting those out aswell


And this is where we are. Bit of mess. Not awful, just a mess. Unpredictable, no identity. Some good players, some ok, some shit.

I've no idea if José can or will sort it out, but he's a winner, we've hired him and having done that, we have to allow him to shape this squad and ditch the duds*



*in his view.

£#%&! me! that's a lot of words for 10am on a Wednesday morning

Originally Posted by Billy Redface

I'm not counting Shaw as he was set up before he arrived.

Nothing like changing the past to fit the narrative

If LVG was as responsible as you say he was, he would have had to give his ok for the Shaw transfer.


Half of europe was after Memphis and he was astonishing in the dutch league. Yes, so was that shit lad who ended up at boro, but so was Ruud.

Darmian looked very good in his first few months.

The entire forum, more or less, believed Schneiderlin to be a good signing based on his attributes and performances for Southampton.

Falcao and Di Maria were expensive flops but I bet you couldn't find many united fans who weren't excited at their arrival....

Point being for me is that this is bigger than just a few transfers who have flopped. Unless we're saying that every single player we've signed (Shaw seems to be the obvious exception, and maybe Martial as you say) are complete shit.... there's deeper issues going on. Moyes was an obvious £#%&! up but LVG and Mourinho were not and are not just bad managers... we clearly have entrenched issues within the squad that not even 2 well respected and well regarded 'big' managers have been able to sort thus far, although early days for Mourinho obviously...

This has been absolutely inevitable to me since Fergie left, and the state of the squad at that time. I think only Fergie could have overseen another overhaul but it probably would have taken even him a couple of seasons(as it did around '05), as it is we've had 3 managers in 4 seasons and, personally, I think that a single manager needs at least 3-4 years to sort the mess out that is this squad. I would have personally stuck with LVG because despite the turgid football last season I thought I could see where he was going with it, particularly the youngsters but the board were clearly wet for Mourinho, and particularly after city getting Guardiola....


We won't be winning the league for 2-3 seasons at least I don't think.

So this stuff was going on a few years before Fergie retired. Say, what? Four years before?

What does Fergie actually do now? The same as Bryan Robson. The man ran the club from kitchen, laundry, boardroom, pitch. Avalanche of trophies.

Enter the £#%&!ing glazers.

Enter the £#%&!ing sponsors.

The rest has gone to shit. Doesn't matter as long as they take ownership.

The man who ran the club from top to bottom has been bought for 20 pieces of silver and has been put in a box with Robbo and Bob-a-job job-for-Bob and his £#%&!ing Russian hat.

Chickens coming home to roost. Football doesn't £#%&!ing matter.

Originally Posted by Tumescent Throb

fellaini is usually not our worst player and he is one of the few who carries out the manager's instructions (mourinho has said as much himself), but he is still a symbol on the field of what united has become, just as woodward is a symbol of that off the field.

I agree with this.

Fellaini has had good runs of form (about 3 weeks every season) which is more than Schneiderlin, Rojo, Depay and Darmian have produced. But the issue is afro is a regular starter £#%&!ing up the base more often than not. Even Moyes didn't start him that much tbh.

I don't see what Schneiderlin offers. He reminds me of a shit Owen Hargreaves. Average on the ball but has good energy levels. The latter in that one season didn't play in central midfield that much. He struggled to assert himself but became a good utility option on the right where his energy and tenacity would up our tempo. I believe they call it pressing these days.

Originally Posted by AK14

£#%&! me! that's a lot of words for 10am on a Wednesday morning

Yeah, I do that sometimes. Sorry.

Originally Posted by marlo

one of our players is tier 3 pay wise buy buying a tier 1 bracket house because his agent said his big deal from united is coming.....

Man buys bigger house after receiving pay rise!

Fascinating ITK insight, you fat-headed gimp.

What the £#%&! is a tier 1 bracket house?

Originally Posted by marlo

very true...
one of our players is tier 3 pay wise buy buying a tier 1 bracket house because his agent said his big deal from united is coming.....

About time Jesseh got his dues

Originally Posted by Jethro

What the £#%&! is a tier 1 bracket house?

Top end.

Originally Posted by Bunker Buster

Top end.

So, a detached with two bathrooms? These lads don't know they're born

Originally Posted by Billy Redface

just because Fellaini is shite and needs to go, doesn't mean we shouldn't sell anyone else until we do. He likes him. He's staying. Get used to it. Let's deal with the other shit in the side.

Look at Sunday, we came into off the back of a 4-1 win, a disciplined creditable draw in a game we expected to lose and carried on a run of about six game unbeaten.
.

playing without fellaini gives us the best chance of a far more strategic progression and could mean far less squad turnover. just £#%&! him off. it would help everyone see more clearly.

couldn't disagree more on your point about the vermin game. i never even vaguely 'expected' to lose ffs.

Originally Posted by Tumescent Throb

playing without fellaini gives us the best chance of a far more strategic progression and could mean far less squad turnover. just £#%&! him off. it would help everyone see more clearly.

couldn't disagree more on your point about the vermin game. i never even vaguely 'expected' to lose ffs.

Ok, the general consensus was that we'd lose. The point being that it was creditable result amidst a decent run where it looked like we might be getting somewhere. Then we lost 4-0.

Originally Posted by Jethro

What the £#%&! is a tier 1 bracket house?

Originally Posted by Tiberian

Looks more and more like we need a footballing director who can bridge that gap between the manager and Woodward, have a say in long term transfer strategy and stabilize the mess we have become in the market.

20+ senior players signed since Fergie retired, for around £500 million, and barely a working partnership across the pitch.

LVG was a disaster in the transfer market, makes it difficult to have any sympathy for him, Utd were outspending every club in Europe during his tenure, it is why he failed. How do we spend £40 million on Darmian and Depay while allowing superior players in Rafael and Nani to leave for £7 million combined?

Ah, you actually hadn't mentioned him for a week or two

Originally Posted by Jethro

What the £#%&! is a tier 1 bracket house?

samirs old crib.

Originally Posted by dunk

About time Jesseh got his dues

you're good.

Originally Posted by Whip Hubley

Get to absolute £#%&!. The reason most were lauding him is because he was a world class player with a wealth of experience and trophies. The gamble was not his talent, the gamble was his physicality and attitude. Both it seems, were lacking.

your getting there

Originally Posted by Sparky***

https://twitter.com/theunitedend/sta...34202754019329

the only one i would keep is schneiderlin

Originally Posted by elhombre

the only one i would keep is schneiderlin

Showed half a pair of knackers after coming on tonight.

Shocked tbh.

Originally Posted by Cream

Showed half a pair of knackers after coming on tonight.

Shocked tbh.

he can play football, unlike the everton reject and it's a position we still need cover and options in.

memphis is a genuine shock, with regards to how shit he's been.