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Could not find the 'jews control the world' bit which is anti semetic but did find the 'zionists are @#%&!s' which is not For those that do not understand the difference Judaism is a religion ,Zionism is a political ideology , not all jews are zionists and many zionists are not jews The Gal Gadot joke could be argued as bad taste but I've seen much worse 'jokes' defended I've no context for the rest but the selective quoting 'jews dragging their religion thru dirt' reads differently when looking at the tweet itself https://twitter.com/NorthWestFOI/sta...170432/photo/1 Fom that tweet alone without seeing the full context , as i'm neither paid by a goverment nor have the resources to trawl through years of timelines,the NW Friends of Israel seems to be conflating anti zionism with anti semitism to defend the apartheid state of Israel, which to be fair is their stated aim Here's Simon from their sister branch who they love to retweet harassing some pensioners |
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I don't think you understand properly HOS. Being anti-zionist is not the same as being anti-semitic. Not in a million years. Just because you want it to be the same so you can use it to silence all those loony lefties you dislike, it doesn't mean it is. |
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I’m interested to see where the lines are drawn. Are Jewish anti-zionists also anti-Semitic? Is this even possible? Edit: this article is a good read, especially on the self-determination question that HOS says underpins all anti-zionist, anti-Semitic arguments https://www.theguardian.com/news/201...is-antisemitic |
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I’ve already said that most people who use the term don’t understand its implications. You appear to be one of them. Maybe find a new one that better describes the aims and isn’t open to an allegation that (mostly unfairly) undermines the position. People don’t give it a moments thought though. If they did it’s just one remove from being anti-jewish. It’s not the anti-semitic get out they think it is. I’ve no reason to think you’re an anti semite. People who understand zionism (jews among them) will assume you are if you label yourself such. ‘Zionism’ doesnt just mean what you want it to mean. It’s as empty a term in the mouths of the left as ‘fascist’ is. |
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I can say that I am anti-Zionist, because Zionism is being used by the conservative Israeli government to illegally push Palestinians off their own land, which they then take for themselves, as well as creating apartheid type conditions which Palestinians are forced to live in. That is not anti-semitic in any way. It does not mention judasim and it does not question Isreals right to exist. The only connection Judaism has, is that the Isreal is a 'Jewish' country. If I also added that 'zionists' control all the money and there's a worldwide 'zionist' conspiracy to control the world, and all the other bullshit - then yeah, that's some antisemitic shit and is very far removed from just being anti-zionist. While it's important to call out antisemites, we can't just lump the two in together, because as Shenwen stated, that's a very reductive position to take. |
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