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Unread 25-04-2017, 05:32 AM
saffers
 
Football The Table is the Same – Has Mourinho Improved Manchester United?

"We need to be honest about what Jose Mourinho walked in to with this Manchester United team.

United under Louis van Gaal were one of the worst-managed super teams possible. I have mentioned this on our podcast at various times, but this remains a staggering factoid:

In van Gaal’s last season, with a fantastically expensive squad, they took fewer shots per game in attack than 17th place Sunderland.

For reference, United took 11.3 shots per game in 15-16. A year before, Burnley and Hull both averaged 11.3 shots per game. And were relegated.

If your attack is posting the same shots numbers as relegated teams – when you are Manchester £#%&!ing United – you have problems.

Yes, United managed to finish 5th. With a +14 goal difference. The same goal difference as perennial Premier League titans West Ham. +14 was considerably less than 4th place Manchester City, who happened to have finished on the same points total as United (66), but backed into 4th place with a far more typical +30 goal difference.

It’s not like they didn’t have shot volume guys in the squad, either. Rooney, Depay, Martial, Mata, even Lingard have all had substantial shot output in the past. Clearly, the lack of shots was via tactical instruction, which means van Gaal was to blame.

The most shocking part of this to me is that even shooting less often in exchange presumably better shots, they barely moved the needle on shot quality. That last season under LVG they came in just above league average, at about 10.5%.

All of this is a lengthy way of saying that despite van Gaal’s big name and pedigree, Jose Mourinho inherited a bit of a mess."

read more: http://statsbomb.com/2017/04/the-tab...hester-united/
 
Unread 25-04-2017, 05:37 AM
puressence
 
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i don't want to read abit more thanks ..its been said to death
 
Unread 25-04-2017, 05:46 AM
Crumps
 
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5 or 6 more goals in games that we completely dominated yet drew through incompetent finishing or not being given stone wall pens and we'd be going for the league now.

We are a million miles away from where we were the last 3 seasons.
 
Unread 25-04-2017, 06:02 AM
My Name is Keith
 
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Was only thinking that we hadn't had a decent lvg v jo mo thread for at least a couple of hours and that we should really have another. Nice one saffers.

If there's one thing that doesn't get tired on here it's reading lots of long assed multi paragraphed posts making arguments and counter arguments about the two managers.

For those thinking, 'hang on, we've done this before?' the important thing is that the op tantalisingly reveals *new evidence* for lvg. Pretty sure that shots per match and/or shots on target stats have never been mentioned in respect of lvg's reign before and that's worthy of a lengthy discussion if nothing else is.

Repped.
 
Unread 25-04-2017, 06:07 AM
itisme_panaflex
 
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The desperation to be proved 'right' doesn't reflect well on you as a man. Imo.
 
Unread 25-04-2017, 06:08 AM
Ethers
 
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Shot volume guys
 
Unread 25-04-2017, 06:09 AM
Bunker Buster
 
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Barley moved the needle on shot volume....



You've posted this on a forum and blog lads, everyone can see it....
 
Unread 25-04-2017, 06:26 AM
waynes ear's
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunker Buster
Barley moved the needle on shot volume....
Yeah barley twitched

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Originally Posted by Ethers
Shot volume guys
#stat£#%&!er
 
Unread 25-04-2017, 06:27 AM
saffers
 
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Unread 25-04-2017, 06:29 AM
The Stella Fella
 
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Shot volume guys
Our version of par league
 
Unread 25-04-2017, 06:31 AM
Mr_Ed
 
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Originally Posted by saffers


I think that just by watching us you can see an improvement. Anyone who says otherwise is a bit dim.

I watched the double 07/08 DVD las week... don't watch that 😔
 
Unread 25-04-2017, 07:03 AM
Zorg
 
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Originally Posted by My Name is Keith
Was only thinking that we hadn't had a decent lvg v jo mo thread for at least a couple of hours and that we should really have another. Nice one saffers.

If there's one thing that doesn't get tired on here it's reading lots of long assed multi paragraphed posts making arguments and counter arguments about the two managers.

For those thinking, 'hang on, we've done this before?' the important thing is that the op tantalisingly reveals *new evidence* for lvg. Pretty sure that shots per match and/or shots on target stats have never been mentioned in respect of lvg's reign before and that's worthy of a lengthy discussion if nothing else is.

Repped.
Sarcasm detector overload, captain

 
Unread 25-04-2017, 07:07 AM
irk
 
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Unread 25-04-2017, 07:09 AM
Zorg
 
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Unread 25-04-2017, 07:54 AM
Denis Irwell
 
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More goals, will have more pts and probably finish higher. Better to watch, albeit still frustrating for different reasons.

Not much argument, really.

Oh, and watch us go ..... etc
 
Unread 25-04-2017, 08:57 AM
20 times
 
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Stats bomb

£#%&!ing hell
 
Unread 25-04-2017, 09:06 AM
TheFatGoth
 
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The stats bomb podcast?

Sounds good.
 
Unread 25-04-2017, 09:32 AM
Tumescent Throb
 
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yeah but jose went to a back 6 sometimes so in fact sitting through those goalless soulless 90 minutes at home to west london albion last season was better ...
 
Unread 25-04-2017, 09:36 AM
saffers
 
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yeah but jose went to a back 6 sometimes so in fact sitting through those goalless soulless 90 minutes at home to west london albion last season was better ...
Lvg killed us, he really killed us.

More and more people admitting now he was worse than moyes entertainment wise....
 
Unread 25-04-2017, 09:37 AM
Bunker Buster
 
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Originally Posted by saffers
Lvg killed us, he really killed us.

More and more people admitting now he was worse than moyes entertainment wise....
Actually a huge lie...
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