lionel messi to me is complete

and the best player in the world by a mile ..

Controversial.

He's no Cacapa.

Its his aerial dominance that I like.

Originally Posted by BryanRobson'sLiver

Its his aerial dominance that I like.

Or his defensive qualities.

he wins games on his own

Originally Posted by puressence

lionel messi to me is complete and the best player in the world by a mile ..

i'm very happy for you

you're wrong of course, but even so...

Aside from dribbling (oh which he is the best exponent in the World, bar none), what are his strengths?

I watched the 1st half of the Argentina match last night, and every time he got the ball he ran straight in to someone while attempting to beat them. Lost the ball countless times. He is great to watch, but there is very little in terms of variation and 'plan b', as it were, when he comes up against a side that can defend and know what his plan is, United for example, he is £#%&!ed, they just let him dribble his little heart out in area's he can't do any damage, as we did at OT.

This is why I can't pick him as the best in the World, he is possibly the most naturally gifted, but not the best/most dangerous/most effective, in my eyes anyway.

And yes, I do watch him almost every week, or when Barca are on Sky at least.

Originally Posted by puressence

and the best player in the world by a mile ..

you'd better bookmark this thread, pure, so you can bump it in the future and show everyone how perceptive you are.

Originally Posted by dunk

Aside from dribbling (oh which he is the best exponent in the World, bar none), what are his strengths?

I watched the 1st half of the Argentina match last night, and every time he got the ball he ran straight in to someone while attempting to beat them. Lost the ball countless times. He is great to watch, but there is very little in terms of variation and 'plan b', as it were, when he comes up against a side that can defend and know what his plan is, United for example, he is £#%&!ed, they just let him dribble his little heart out in area's he can't do any damage, as we did at OT.

This is why I can't pick him as the best in the World, he is possibly the most naturally gifted, but not the best/most dangerous/most effective, in my eyes anyway.

And yes, I do watch him almost every week, or when Barca are on Sky at least.

so you missed the second half:shakehead:

Originally Posted by puressence

he wins games on his own

Originally Posted by puressence

so you missed the second half:shakehead:

what was the final score?

Originally Posted by puressence

and the best player in the world by a mile ..

Complete? FFS

He's the best dribbler in the world by far, but the most complete? Have a word with yourself Pure.

Originally Posted by puressence

so you missed the second half:shakehead:

Well, yes. But I had things to do.

This isn't an opinion based on one game ffs.

I've seen him tear teams a new one on several occasions, I have also seen him do absolutely £#%&! all on others.

It was only Paraguay ffs, he should've been head and shoulders above them.

Supremely talented, possibly the most naturally gifted footballer in the World, of his era even. But, the best player in the World has to be more.

Originally Posted by puressence

and the best player in the world by a mile ..

Can he play in net?

John O' Shea can...

Originally Posted by dunk

Well, yes. But I had things to do.

This isn't an opinion based on one game ffs.

I've seen him tear teams a new one on several occasions, I have also seen him do absolutely £#%&! all on others.

It was only Paraguay ffs, he should've been head and shoulders above them.

Supremely talented, possibly the most naturally gifted footballer in the World, of his era even. But, the best player in the World has to be more.

it was only paraguay ..who are pissing the group btw.. ive seen ronnie not perform in big games mate ..

Originally Posted by Tumescent Throb

what was the final score?

one each ..argies down to ten for over a hour after carlos was sent off ..top game tbh

Originally Posted by puressence

one each ..argies down to ten for over a hour after carlos was sent off ..top game tbh

how come messi didn't win the game on his own

Originally Posted by dunk

Aside from dribbling (oh which he is the best exponent in the World, bar none), what are his strengths?

I watched the 1st half of the Argentina match last night, and every time he got the ball he ran straight in to someone while attempting to beat them. Lost the ball countless times. He is great to watch, but there is very little in terms of variation and 'plan b', as it were, when he comes up against a side that can defend and know what his plan is, United for example, he is £#%&!ed, they just let him dribble his little heart out in area's he can't do any damage, as we did at OT.

This is why I can't pick him as the best in the World, he is possibly the most naturally gifted, but not the best/most dangerous/most effective, in my eyes anyway.

And yes, I do watch him almost every week, or when Barca are on Sky at least.

That post probably sounds a little harsh, buts it's about right.

Messi is the player I most like to watch, but he doesnt have Ronaldo's power or his aerial ability which makes Ronaldo the harder to defend against, even though Messi is the better dribbler IMO.

Based on last season you'd be an idiot not to say Christiano Ronaldo was the best player in the world. Now he can do everything. He was th most influential and effective footballer in world football.

But for me, Kaka is still the best 'footballer' about. Makes everything look easy and is pure class.

Originally Posted by Vic Mackey

That post probably sounds a little harsh, buts it's about right.

Messi is the player I most like to watch, but he doesnt have Ronaldo's power or his aerial ability which makes Ronaldo the harder to defend against, even though Messi is the better dribbler IMO.

and messi is 4 yrs behind ronnie