our last three managers

moyes came in and was an absolute £#%&!ing moyes.

van gaal was a total van gaal.

now mourinho is being a complete 100% tossing mourinho.


wow. I mean... I hoped mourinho would change.

anyone think if we hired a leopard, it would eat the £#%&!ing youth team?

Originally Posted by TheFatGoth

would have been a certified giggs. so no.

Moyes was always shit.

Van Gaal was retiring, needed the money & delegated every conceivable facet of the job to subordinates then proceeded to play the worst football seen at United in decades. £#%&! him.

Mourinho has made some shit decisions, and he's consistently worked under a requirement of "instant success" being essential given his previous roles. United need rebuilding & whether he does change his spots with time, job security & some further success only time will tell. Personally I have always thought he'd just do what he does, be here for three years - next season is likely to be a big one for us after further investment & then he'll truly implode. We'll end up with a far, far better squad than when he took over though & hopefully the club is taking care of the academy for the coming seasons.

It's never, ever going to be like Fergie again. We're just like everyone else now.

Only 2 things are certain in Jem's life: hating managers and referees

Originally Posted by Baron

It's never, ever going to be like Fergie again. We're just like everyone else now.

Correct. some people need to get over it. Scoffing at (potentially) 2 cups in a managers first season....

It generally takes time to build great sides. Give the guy a £#%&!ing chance eh?

Originally Posted by Whip Hubley

It generally takes time to build great sides. Give the guy a £#%&!ing chance eh?

Took 18 months to get Inter to sort their shit out & they'd won 3 leagues on the trot by the time they got to their treble season.

He might be out of the door by then obviously if the last few months are anything to go by but there are recent blueprints to show his expected progression.

Originally Posted by Whip Hubley

Scoffing at (potentially) 2 cups in a managers first season....

oh, we won two shit cups, so let's overlook what we can actually see in front of our eyes?

I didn't hate van gaal, incidentally.

refs are shit.

The board have made a complete balls up of appointing a successor to Ferguson.

The three main pillars of the United way have been the highest standards, attacking football and opportunities to youth.

Moyes lowered our standards.
Van Gaal destroyed the attacking football.
Mourinho sold out the youth.

The United way is in ruin as we head toward Chelsea 2.0

All we needed was to hire a manager with the same characteristics as Ferguson.

Originally Posted by gav81

The board have made a complete balls up of appointing a successor to Ferguson.

The three main pillars of the United way have been the highest standards, attacking football and opportunities to youth.

Moyes lowered our standards.
Van Gaal destroyed the attacking football.
Mourinho sold out the youth.

The United way is in ruin as we head toward Chelsea 2.0

All we needed was to hire a manager with the same characteristics as Ferguson.

Why do you think that then?


Stop holding on to the past gav

Originally Posted by gav81

The board have made a complete balls up of appointing a successor to Ferguson.

The three main pillars of the United way have been the highest standards, attacking football and opportunities to youth.

Moyes lowered our standards.
Van Gaal destroyed the attacking football.
Mourinho sold out the youth.

The United way is in ruin as we head toward Chelsea 2.0

All we needed was to hire a manager with the same characteristics as Ferguson.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/17810224

The death knell of the United way. You should start learning about the methods behind reanimation. Once Ferguson is dead you can bring him back to eternal life and have your way.

He was one of a kind and you need to let that go.

Originally Posted by jem

oh, we won two shit cups, so let's overlook what we can actually see in front of our eyes?

No, point being it's. his. first. season. with. a. squad. he. inherited. from. thumb. head.

If you think we've had a poor season with a new manager who took on a largely dogshit squad, I can't help.

The last 2 months or so has felt like a huge blow to be honest. Out of contention for top 4, scraping through to the Europa final and out of the FA Cup.

Before then I was pretty happy, December-Februrary we were doing well. We were winning, playing pretty well and looked like it was all starting to click. I think the FA Cup match set us back a bit mentally and then Swansea was an even bigger set back. Since then it's been pretty awful, especially the last two matches.

It's hard to see where we are as a team at the moment as we're clearly just playing out the last few games. If (big if) we win the Europa League, the season has been a big success. We'd have won 2 trophies and qualified for the Champions Leauge in a year of transition. But if we don't win it, it'll be a poor season; millions spent and just a League Cup to show for it.

Originally Posted by gav81

All we needed was to hire a manager with the same characteristics as Ferguson.

Maybe a Scottish individual, operated at a decent level in trying circumstances for some time, cut from the same cloth etc...

Originally Posted by dunk

Maybe a Scottish individual, operated at a decent level in trying circumstances for some time, cut from the same cloth etc...

Originally Posted by gav81

The board have made a complete balls up of appointing a successor to Ferguson.
.

Fergal made a balls off appointing a successor to fergal, that's where the rot truly set in, how the £#%&! that happened, walking the same path as the post Sir Matt debacle you'd just hope it won't take us as long to recover this time.

Originally Posted by dunk

Maybe a Scottish individual, operated at a decent level in trying circumstances for some time, cut from the same cloth etc...

Moyes was picked based on the wrong matches to Ferguson: their Scottishness, fathers working for the same shipbuilding yard and time at Drumchapel FC had nothing to do with their managerial ability. It was a form of nepotism on Ferguson's part.

That's nothing like the characteristics that I'm proposing would provide a match to Ferguson: hunger, winning mentality, motivation, inspiration, fight, aggression, discipline, control, fear, respect, man-management, high standards, attacking football and opportunities to youth.

If you find a manager with all that, you've found Ferguson 2.0

Moyes took over a league winning side that should never have really won the league but being Moyes never really stood a chance.

Van gaal completely destroyed the "identity" of the club and spent 250 million on players who most of won't be here come summer.

Mourinho took over united in a much worse position than either of the two and has stabilized the club and brought back a bit of a United mentality. Thinking about league positions in year one is what effectively destroyed us ever regrouping after Ferguson.

Had Mourinho joined after Ferguson he would have challenged for the league two years later. Had he joined after Moyes he would have challenged for the league after year two. He'll challenge for the league next year and there is simply no question about it.

Originally Posted by gav81

That's nothing like the characteristics that I'm proposing would provide a match to Ferguson: hunger, winning mentality, motivation, inspiration, fight, aggression, discipline, control, fear, respect, man-management, high standards, attacking football and opportunities to youth.

If you find a manager with all that, you've found Ferguson 2.0

Originally Posted by Whip Hubley

No, point being it's. his. first. season. with. a. squad. he. inherited. from. thumb. head.

If you think we've had a poor season with a new manager who took on a largely dogshit squad, I can't help.

if you think our squad is dogshit and no one could have done better with it, then you are insane and you certainly can't help. maybe as a salutary warning against the tacit acceptance of largely self-inflicted mediocrity.

however, this is thread is more about the fact that we've got pretty much what might have been expected from all three managers.

Originally Posted by believe

Van gaal completely destroyed the "identity" of the club

Mourinho took over united in a much worse position than either of the two

Get the boat.