Romelu Lukaku

Originally Posted by MonkeyOnMyBack

Reasonable thread explaining the background.

https://twitter.com/judeinlondon2/st...15335106519040

Reasonable? Even when she's banging on about Belgians lopping #@&%!es off 'us' in the Congo?

She's a pudding.

Originally Posted by irk

Reasonable? Even when she's banging on about Belgians lopping #@&%!es off 'us' in the Congo?

She's a pudding.

Banging on = mentions as an aside

Originally Posted by MonkeyOnMyBack

Calling David Beckham a slave to fashion - fine.

Calling any black person a slave to anything - ignorant/ill considered and if you still think its ok to say it after its pointed out to you - like a n***** in the woodpile - its racist, whether you initially meant it to be or not.

Not all words are equal yet - genocidal slavery hangovers seem to last a good while, surprisingly.

Why, given that slavery is a historical universal practised by almost all cultures, are white people the only ones that have to continually apologise for it? This is also despite the fact that white British people ended the practice by force of arms against their economic interests and based on noble enlightenment principles that every nation should aspire to. What is her opinion of the people that rounded up the people that were bought as slaves from Africans?

Slavery isn't an issue in this country like it is the US. People should stop trying to transpose American politics into the U.K.

Racism isn't racism if it's not intended. Racism is, or was, conscious discrimination or hatred against people based on their ethnicity. Widening the definition to anything said, done, or thought even unconsciously that could after an in depth and arcane historical deconstruction be construed by an ideologue as offensive is divisive and counter productive.

Every joke, insult, or thoughtless remark could be treated in the same way.

Idiot/imbecile/cretin/moron - old medical terms and therefore verboten for being discriminatory against the mental ill
Silly - said of helpless women or children/ describes an idiot - sexist and discriminatory against the mentally ill
Scouse @#%&! - discriminatory against Scouse @#%&!s.

And on and on

Originally Posted by MonkeyOnMyBack

Banging on = mentions as an aside

Whatever, it's still utter £#%&!ing nonsense. She, an educated middle class woman in a modern liberal democracy, is claiming kinship with remote historical figures she has no relationship with and nothing in common with other than the colour of her skin.

I could just as easily and with as much veracity talk about the Barbary pirates kidnapping villagers from Cornwall or Ireland to take into white slavery.

Originally Posted by irk

Why, given that slavery is a historical universal practised by almost all cultures, are white people the only ones that have to continually apologise for it? This is also despite the fact that white British people ended the practice by force of arms against their economic interests and based on noble enlightenment principles that every nation should aspire to? Who rounded up the slaves that were bought from Africans?

That got a chuckle - fair play. To be clear though http://abolition.e2bn.org/slavery_111.html

Originally Posted by irk

Slavery isn't an issue in this country like it is the US. People should stop trying to transpose American politics into the U.K.

Not for white people, no.

Hard to disagree with anything irk has said on the matter to be honest.


I doubt Lukaku wasn't offended so why the £#%&! should anyone else be.


Where is that marlo chap nowadays? Maybe he can ask him...

Originally Posted by irk

Racism isn't racism if it's not intended. Racism is, or was, conscious discrimination or hatred against people based on their ethnicity. Widening the definition to anything said, done, or thought even unconsciously that could after an in depth and arcane historical deconstruction be construed by an ideologue as offensive is divisive and counter productive.

Every joke, insult, or thoughtless remark could be treated in the same way.

Idiot/imbecile/cretin/moron - old medical terms and therefore verboten for being discriminatory against the mental ill
Silly - said of helpless women or children/ describes an idiot - sexist and discriminatory against the mentally ill
Scouse @#%&! - discriminatory against Scouse @#%&!s.

And on and on

We'll get there eventually - we will put the past behind us all words will be equal. But till then i think its fair ask that people, dont be dick.

Originally Posted by MonkeyOnMyBack

That got a chuckle - fair play. To be clear though http://abolition.e2bn.org/slavery_111.html



Not for white people, no.

That's a racist comment tbf.

Originally Posted by irk

Why, given that slavery is a historical universal practised by almost all cultures, are white people the only ones that have to continually apologise for it? This is also despite the fact that white British people ended the practice by force of arms against their economic interests and based on noble enlightenment principles that every nation should aspire to. What is her opinion of the people that rounded up the people that were bought as slaves from Africans?

Slavery isn't an issue in this country like it is the US. People should stop trying to transpose American politics into the U.K.

Racism isn't racism if it's not intended. Racism is, or was, conscious discrimination or hatred against people based on their ethnicity. Widening the definition to anything said, done, or thought even unconsciously that could after an in depth and arcane historical deconstruction be construed by an ideologue as offensive is divisive and counter productive.

Every joke, insult, or thoughtless remark could be treated in the same way.

Idiot/imbecile/cretin/moron - old medical terms and therefore verboten for being discriminatory against the mental ill
Silly - said of helpless women or children/ describes an idiot - sexist and discriminatory against the mentally ill
Scouse c*** - discriminatory against Scouse c***s.

And on and on

Love that word. Sounds like a spurs defender. Although what I read may be verbatim...

Originally Posted by Finport Red

That's a racist comment tbf.

Originally Posted by MonkeyOnMyBack

That got a chuckle - fair play. To be clear though http://abolition.e2bn.org/slavery_111.html

to be clear about what? You'll bend over backwards to give no credit to uniquely evil whitey. Note also, the role of the various churches in this righteous development.


Not for white people, no.

:cringe:

How is the experiences of those living under slavery in the US in any way relevant to that of black British people? Why is this period of history uniquely informative to the collective psyche rather than say the experience of similarly remote Hutus and Tutsis?

Originally Posted by MonkeyOnMyBack

It is though, and part of the problem with dealing with this, sexism etc is that people think it is all right to be racist about white people or sexist about men like they somehow deserve to be trodden on now because of grievances against their ancestors.

Originally Posted by MonkeyOnMyBack

We'll get there eventually - we will put the past behind us all words will be equal. But till then i think its fair ask that people, dont be dick.

Agreed. And the sooner that politically motivated idiots stop trying to divide people along every more marginal lines the better we will be.

How can the past be put behind when the orthodoxy among SJWs is that white people must carry around some kind of original sin that they must make recompense for until further notice?

Originally Posted by irk

:cringe:

How is the experiences of those living under slavery in the US in any way relevant to that of black British people? Why is this period of history uniquely informative to the collective psyche rather than say the experience of similarly remote Hutus and Tutsis?

A cultural hangover remains - a lot of people are people are still racist, no idea why. Ive a feeling Jewish people will remain touchy for while longer too. I dont know many Hutus and Tutsis in my part of town but if a pair lived next door to each other id guess they'd be a few awkward moments when leaving for work at the same time.

Originally Posted by Finport Red

It is though, and part of the problem with dealing with this, sexism etc is that people think it is all right to be racist about white people or sexist about men like they somehow deserve to be trodden on now because of grievances against their ancestors.

Tell me how suggesting - slavery isn't an issue for white people in this country - is racist?

Originally Posted by Street Magician

Love that word. Sounds like a spurs defender. Although what I read may be verbatim...

Used to get them in packs of 50 from bowlers on a Sunday way back when

This "don't be a dick" business sounds all reasonable at first blush, but what it actually means is "don't say things of which we don't approve" and reserving the right to yourselves of what it is that can or can't be said.

One group reserving the right to decide the bounds of acceptability isn't at all reasonable. No consensus can be reached if no discussion can take place.

So, how about the identity left stop trying to impose an orthodoxy on everyone under the guise of obviously being the good guys. This kind of sneaky shit is part of the reason I am increasingly alienated from the so called left in this country. The rote orthodoxy that cannot be challenged lest younare denounced as a racist is the road to officially sanctioned thought and not to be trusted.

Originally Posted by MonkeyOnMyBack

A cultural hangover remains - a lot of people are people are still racist, no idea why. Ive a feeling Jewish people will remain touchy for while longer too. I dont know many Hutus and Tutsis in my part of town but if a pair lived next door to each other id guess they'd be a few awkward moments when leaving for work at the same time.

its not our culture though is it? how many descendants of slaves lynched in the US south are knocking around?


Tell me how suggesting - slavery isn't an issue for white people in this country - is racist?

Better to explain how slavery in the US is an issue for black people in this country.

http://abolition.e2bn.org/slavery_155.html

For 60 years after the 1807 act, the Royal Navy was used to enforce the British ban by shutting down the slave trade routes and seizing slave ships at sea. The West Africa Squadron patrolled the seas liberating around 150,000 enslaved Africans. The majority of the British Slave Trade was suppressed very rapidly, but as the British ships withdrew from trading the French, followed by the Spanish and Portuguese, took their place. After 1815, with Europe finally at peace, British supremacy at sea was secured, but, even with a powerful navy, suppressing the trade proved difficult, dangerous and very costly.

It was a huge task requiring co-operation from the governments of all the countries involved. Heavy subsidies were paid to induce other countries to curtail their involvement through anti-slavery treaties with Britian. Smaller amounts were also paid to numerous African chiefs to cease their involvement. The cost of maintaining the British squadron was also high. Initially ships operated out of the Cape of Good Hope but in 1819 a separate West Coast of Africa Station was created. By 1825 there were seven ships on station, manned by around 660 men. This grew to around 25 vessels by 1845 manned by around 2000 British sailors and nearly 1,000 'Kroomen', experienced African fishermen.

Makes you proud to be British.

We stopped slavery before the Africans, who had to be bribed to desist from enslaving their black brothers, did. So much for the homogeneous black identity, and it has to be said collective white guilt.

Time for all parties to put an end to this simplistic and self defeating %@#$&!s.

Originally Posted by irk

This "don't be a dick" business sounds all reasonable at first blush, but what it actually means is "don't say things of which we don't approve" and reserving the right to yourselves of what it is that can or can't be said.

Its really not that hard to not be a dick. You should try it

One group reserving the right to decide the bounds of acceptability isn't at all reasonable. No consensus can be reached if no discussion can take place.

So, how about the identity left stop trying to impose an orthodoxy on everyone under the guise of obviously being the good guys. This kind of sneaky shit is part of the reason I am increasingly alienated from the so called left in this country. The rote orthodoxy that cannot be challenged lest younare denounced as a racist is the road to officially sanctioned thought and not to be trusted.

Ffs if you want to sing about black men's dicks - sing about black men's dicks, Irk. But only you.

Better to explain how slavery in the US is an issue for black people in this country.

That wasnt his point. in anycase ..in this country ...in this town ...in this street. Why draw a line anywhere. Its small world these days.

Originally Posted by irk

Why, given that slavery is a historical universal practised by almost all cultures, are white people the only ones that have to continually apologise for it? This is also despite the fact that white British people ended the practice by force of arms against their economic interests and based on noble enlightenment principles that every nation should aspire to. What is her opinion of the people that rounded up the people that were bought as slaves from Africans?

Slavery isn't an issue in this country like it is the US. People should stop trying to transpose American politics into the U.K.

Racism isn't racism if it's not intended. Racism is, or was, conscious discrimination or hatred against people based on their ethnicity. Widening the definition to anything said, done, or thought even unconsciously that could after an in depth and arcane historical deconstruction be construed by an ideologue as offensive is divisive and counter productive.

Every joke, insult, or thoughtless remark could be treated in the same way.

Idiot/imbecile/cretin/moron - old medical terms and therefore verboten for being discriminatory against the mental ill
Silly - said of helpless women or children/ describes an idiot - sexist and discriminatory against the mentally ill
Scouse @#%&! - discriminatory against Scouse @#%&!s.

And on and on

Irkers.

I like this Irk guy. I assume he dines at the top table round here

Originally Posted by MonkeyOnMyBack

That wasnt his point. in anycase ..in this country ...in this town ...in this street. Why draw a line anywhere. Its small world these days.

What was the point? If we can't draw a line anywhere why can I not claim solidarity with the slaves on the basis of my shared humanity?

Oh, I'm excluded because I'm white.