OFFICIAL:Manchester United v Sevilla FC|Champions League|Round of 16|Tuesday 12 March 2018|1945|BT

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

He says he thought it was good. As an adult I’d have assumed you’d stop taking anything a manager, or anyone in football, says publicly at face value?

Because it fits in with his 'philosophy' and this dick is so far up his own arse he thinks everything he does is ace.

Originally Posted by dunk

We can't afford to replace 8 players ffs especially not in the current climate.

We can’t afford to sell 8 players on the contracts they’re on.

Originally Posted by That Boy Ronaldo!

This.

Valencia is captain (a truly embarrassing decision). He got hooked (again) and they gave it to Smalling. Shocked "Ash" didn't have a go.

That’s a damning indictment.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

We can’t afford to sell 8 players on the contracts they’re on.

Could've just not given half of them extensions

Mata, Young, Blind, Fellaini (attempting) all given year extensions this season, Zlat and Carrick (I don't begrudge tbf) last summer...

Spending £10 to save £1 :£#%&!er:

Originally Posted by dunk

Because it fits in with his 'philosophy' and this dick is so far up his own arse he thinks everything he does is ace.

His philosophy is winning. Same as Fergie, though he was eventually educated. Still didn’t stop his 451 %@#$&!s or pragmatism against the likes of city, Liverpool, Chelsea in later years. So I guess he wasn’t educated in the United way after all, he just understood that was how to keep his job.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

His philosophy is winning. Same as Fergie, though he was eventually educated to a point. Didn’t stop his 451 %@#$&!s or pragmatism in later years.

That was a reaction to the slapping he got with 4-4-2 and was sign of him changing to what eventually got us to Moscow and our most successful period ever.

Jose is doing what he's always done, the game has changed, he hasn't.

Originally Posted by dunk

That was a reaction to the slapping he got with 4-4-2 and was sign of him changing to what eventually got us to Moscow and our most successful period ever.

Yes. So he changed to more boring football because he thought that was what he needed to do to win. He didn’t have to have such a negative reaction/solution. Others big European clubs didn’t feel the need to do that.

Though I do appreciate he had a dream to win a European cup final like Milan did against Barca, which is probably why he had a go at Barca in 2009.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

Yes. So he changed to more boring football because he thought that was what he needed to do to win.

It was still rooted in positivity though, the idea being to have more control of midfield and the ball. It was an absolute World away from what Mourinho does and you £#%&!ing know it.

Originally Posted by dunk

It was still rooted in positivity though, the idea being to have more control of midfield and the ball. It was an absolute World away from what Mourinho does and you £#%&!ing know it.

Both results of pragmatism. And the sacrifice was attacking football and chances created. Where was his desire to entertain or play the United way? He didn’t have to react negatively to such a defeat. Guess he didn’t think he could build a team in the style of Madrid or Barca, who stuck to their principles of attacking football whilst still winning European cups. He wasted the best midfield we ever had by making the wrong decision.

Originally Posted by dunk

Could've just not given half of them extensions

Mata, Young, Blind, Fellaini (attempting) all given year extensions this season, Zlat and Carrick (I don't begrudge tbf) last summer...

Spending £10 to save £1 :£#%&!er:

The cheaper option compared to the cost of replacing them with better.

The glazers ban free toast for staff whilst pissing 40 million down the drain rearranging debt.

Brace yourselves for a City v Liverpool final lads

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Utterly depressing this is. We're being rightly slagged to high heaven in the media.

What a shameful performance.

In Spain too (they can £#%&! off obviously). Mourinho probably more than the players tbh

The Spanish media found itself pointing the finger at an familiar face, Sport insisting: “Mourinho is living on the past.” On a night like this “fear took everyone but none quite like Mourinho”, El Mundo Deportivo said. “All those millions, unused,” lamented El País, who talked of “a huge display of football from Sevilla against a Manchester United who are millionaires but misers; so much money, so poor”.

In AS, the editorial called this “one of Sevilla’s biggest feats, at the historic and venerable Old Trafford, [one] that will be written into history for ever, and it was done with pure football against Mourinho’s troglodyte model, in which so much money has been invested so that De Gea can hoof a long ball towards Fellaini and Lukaku. Sevilla won and so did football”.

“You pay for meanness in the end,” wrote Roberto Palomar in Marca. “And Manchester United is a walking monument to mean spiritedness. Poor, miserable, they had everything in their favour to go through … and it was Sevilla that went through.”

“The general opinion of this team that was once respectable and no longer is has plummeted. It’s an unattractive, fearful team, rich in resources but lamentable in its play,” he added. “Mourinho is starting to look like a washed-up rock star, one of those guys that goes around holiday hotels for pensioners playing old hits on an organ with the base and the percussion playing on a tape recorder.”

Originally Posted by Sparky***

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zVvOXMwWXw

"I was coming here 30-40 years ago when you had Scholes and Beckham in midfield..."

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

Both results of pragmatism. And the sacrifice was attacking football and chances created. Where was his desire to entertain or play the United way? He didn’t have to react negatively to such a defeat. Guess he didn’t think he could build a team in the style of Madrid or Barca, who stuck to their principles of attacking football whilst still winning European cups. He wasted the best midfield we ever had by making the wrong decision.

The cheaper option compared to the cost of replacing them with better.

The glazers ban free toast for staff whilst pissing 40 million down the drain rearranging debt.

You Jammy are one deluded £#%&!er. Your hatred of Ferguson is causing you to defend the indefensible while denigrating the Greatest Manager we've ever had with utterly bullshit statements such as the highlighted.

The rest is of course what I was implying with the at the end of the statement on extensions and feeds back into my earlier statement about not being able to afford to replace 8 players.

Originally Posted by wiganste

Brace yourselves for a City v Liverpool final lads

some crank on here will say "rather liverpool won it than those lottery winning bastards"

Originally Posted by wiganste

Brace yourselves for a City v Liverpool final lads

Originally Posted by dunk

I'd strip the squad back to 16/18 players, play the same team as often as possible and supplement with the youth until proper worthwhile additions can be identified and added. Might mean we don't challenge on all fronts and there is a bit of pain at times, but, well.. that's happening anyway isn't it.

DdG
Pereira
Valencia
Shaw
Smalling
Jones
Bailly
Matic
McTomminay
Pogba
Martial
Rashford
Lukaku
Lingard
Sanchez

Not arsed about any of the players not on that list, and would swap out a couple of those if we could. Need some youthful exuberance and leadership in this £#%&!ing team.

100% this.

Originally Posted by waynes ear's

some crank on here will say "rather liverpool won it than those lottery winning bastards"

Obvs would rather city won it but it's becoming a tighter call as the seasons roll on.

We have far too many players in this squad who fall into a certain category. Deep down we know they’re not good enough because we’ve seen every game they’ve played in the shirt, however they will produce a good one every now and then -maybe even a short string- and that’s enough to keep them propped up for another month or two until their next acceptable performance.

We know who they are - the shit @#%&! brigade. However, even members of the SCB have apologists dotted around, and they jump on any positive performance as proof they were were right all along. They weren’t. When you have a preponderance of this type you’re going to get results against Chelsea and Liverpool, just as you’ll get turned over by Newcastle, struggle against Palace and get knocked out in the early stages of the CL. It’s utterly inevitable.

When a player cannot combine both high level of performance with consistancy they have to go, otherwise we’ll never break the cycle.

Originally Posted by wiganste

Brace yourselves for a City v Liverpool final lads

Sadly I've been predicting this shit show for a while now.

We need another miracle from the footballing gods.

Originally Posted by dunk

You Jammy are one deluded £#%&!er. Your hatred of Ferguson is causing you to defend the indefensible while denigrating the Greatest Manager we've ever had with utterly bullshit statements such as the highlighted.

I love Ferguson. He’s only the second greatest manager we’ve ever had though. That’s how blessed we are. Moaning about united. We should try supporting Rochdale or whoever.

As for wasting the midfield. He did so by buying veron to play a 5 when what was needed was reinforcement of the backup so Scholes and Giggs felt like their place was under threat.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

That’s an argument to have never hired him.

It certainly is. The club can have no real complaints. They're getting his style. The fans don't like it. There are no real surprises here.

Either they don't care about the style or they stupidly believed he would adapt. Either way, it ain't happening.

“You pay for meanness in the end,” wrote Roberto Palomar in Marca. “And Manchester United is a walking monument to mean spiritedness. Poor, miserable, they had everything in their favour to go through … and it was Sevilla that went through.”

brutally accurate.