This whole Value thing...

I've had to admit that whenever I hear Fergie spout the word 'value' I assume he's just towing the party line. While i've never doubted his desire to do right by the club, there's been a niggle in my head that suspects he's been told that for whatever reason cash is not available.

Then you look at some of the utterly mental transfers, not just this winter or this country, but around Europe and maybe he has a point...

How much was Chico?

Originally Posted by Harri Jaffa

I've had to admit that whenever I hear Fergie spout the word 'value' I assume he's just towing the party line. While i've never doubted his desire to do right by the club, there's been a niggle in my head that suspects he's been told that for whatever reason cash is not available.

Then you look at some of the utterly mental transfers, not just this winter or this country, but around Europe and maybe he has a point...

Originally Posted by armchair

How much was Chico?

Nevermind him, how much was Berbs, he looks a £#%&!ing steal atm.

Whilst he has undoubtedly been proven correct over these last couple of days, Fergie only says it because we have no money.

Originally Posted by Lok

Whilst he has undoubtedly been proven correct over these last couple of days, Fergie only says it because we have no money.

It's his cry for help :shakehead:

Originally Posted by Lok

Whilst he has undoubtedly been proven correct over these last couple of days, Fergie only says it because we have no money.

yeah, maybe you're right. having said that it's still true that we don't see true value in the market currently

i assume that he would feel a right @#%&! at spending so much on such shite.

a bit like this

http://www.selfridges.com/en/Menswea...W700AAW650360/

ffs if carroll was a t shirt

One thing money cant buy is......

Points on the board!

Originally Posted by irk

i assume that he would feel a right @#%&! at spending so much on such shite.

a bit like this

http://www.selfridges.com/en/Menswea...W700AAW650360/

ffs

rather buy andy carroll for 35m tbf

Originally Posted by Hugh Jardon

One thing money cant buy is......

Points on the board!

and love. it can buy you loving, or a bird way out of your league who pretends to love you so effectively that you'd not know the difference...

Originally Posted by Harri Jaffa

yeah, maybe you're right. having said that it's still true that we don't see true value in the market currently

If however, Torres is an integral part of a Chelsea League and European Cup double, they would rightly argue that he's been value !

Originally Posted by Fountz

If however, Torres is an integral part of a Chelsea League and European Cup double, they would rightly argue that he's been value !

true

Everything is relative.

We were never above spending exceedingly large amounts on players before and many people raised a few eyebrows when we were splashing £7m on andy cole in january 1995 and £3.75m on a very young roy keane.

Jaap Stam the (then) most expensive defender in history. Veron for £28m a transfer record, breaking the record only days after signing Ruud Van Nistelrooy for another record fee.

Wayne Rooney, the most money ever paid for a teenager in history. etc etc.

Is £35m a lot for andy carroll? at the moment it seems so. But, if he goes on to score 30 goals next season, everybody will be saying its money well spent.

Did real madrid get value for money with Ronaldo - the goals he's getting would suggest so, without him they would be £#%&!ed.

At the end of the day manchester united is the most profitable sporting institution in the world, we as supporters have the right to expect that money generated is spent on improving the team. Otherwise what's the point? We're running a football club not a £#%&!ing bank.

We once bought a centre back from a practically insolvent football club for £30 million. We bought a homeless bloke who can’t even play football for £#%&!ing £7 million! Bit rich to be going on about ‘value’. It’s bullshit and we all know it.

Originally Posted by irk

i assume that he would feel a right @#%&! at spending so much on such shite.

a bit like this

http://www.selfridges.com/en/Menswea...W700AAW650360/

ffs if carroll was a t shirt

Top boys shirt.

Fergie in being right shocker?

Value?

"we as supporters have the right to expect that money generated is spent on improving the team. Otherwise what's the point? We're running a football club not a £#%&!ing bank."
WRONG its being run as a money generating machine (bank) for the glazers

Originally Posted by roterteufel

"we as supporters have the right to expect that money generated is spent on improving the team. Otherwise what's the point? We're running a football club not a £#%&!ing bank."
WRONG its being run as a money generating machine (bank) for the glazers

Yep.

look, the day united start leeching off some outside investors, spending £300m in one transfer window then of course we'd all be rightly shocked and have to scratch our heads at wtf is going on.

but at the moment our club is announcing record turnover every single year, the ticket prices are going up, the tv money is going up, we're getting record sponsorship deals. the wage bill (rooney aside) isn't exactly getting bigger, i doubt many of the first team are on 80k+ a week aside from the most experienced players.

and yet the outlay on players is getting less.

i don't envy liverpool because they've got andy carrol - but i certainly envy the fact that they were able to pump that £50m they got for torres straight back into the team.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Everything is relative.

We were never above spending exceedingly large amounts on players before and many people raised a few eyebrows when we were splashing £7m on andy cole in january 1995 and £3.75m on a very young roy keane.

Jaap Stam the (then) most expensive defender in history. Veron for £28m a transfer record, breaking the record only days after signing Ruud Van Nistelrooy for another record fee.

Wayne Rooney, the most money ever paid for a teenager in history. etc etc.

Is £35m a lot for andy carroll? at the moment it seems so. But, if he goes on to score 30 goals next season, everybody will be saying its money well spent.

Did real madrid get value for money with Ronaldo - the goals he's getting would suggest so, without him they would be £#%&!ed.

At the end of the day manchester united is the most profitable sporting institution in the world, we as supporters have the right to expect that money generated is spent on improving the team. Otherwise what's the point? We're running a football club not a £#%&!ing bank.

This.

If we had spent 160 million and Torres, Carrol, Bale and Modric were at carrington today would you give a shit about price????

That would be market value because we would be better.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

At the end of the day manchester united is the most profitable sporting institution in the world, we as supporters have the right to expect that money generated is spent on improving the team. Otherwise what's the point? We're running a football club not a £#%&!ing bank.

What "right" is that exactly - moral or contractual?

If it's the former - forget it.