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Old 01-06-2008, 09:08 AM
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Old 01-06-2008, 09:13 AM
borsuk
 
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the arsenal not spending/developing unknown kids myth takes a bit of a beating when you realise their wage bill is virtually the same as united's and well ahead of liverpool's. still, wenger's a genius of rare principle who would rather risk defeat than spend more than a pittance, eh.
 
Old 01-06-2008, 09:17 AM
Bunker Buster
 
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Newcastle crack me up....

that club shall surely Implode some time soon.

Its definitely a place to go when your career is nearing its end for the 'Retirement fund'

A la Smith, Owen, Duff, Butt, Germemi
 
Old 01-06-2008, 11:41 AM
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the arsenal not spending/developing unknown kids myth takes a bit of a beating when you realise their wage bill is virtually the same as united's and well ahead of liverpool's. still, wenger's a genius of rare principle who would rather risk defeat than spend more than a pittance, eh.
You've chosen to completely disregard the fact that they haven't bought big. They may get cheap players and have to pay them well to go to them or maybe they are getting more than the rest in Bosman's - which in turn increasesthe wage bill.
 
Old 01-06-2008, 11:53 AM
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You've chosen to completely disregard the fact that they haven't bought big. They may get cheap players and have to pay them well to go to them or maybe they are getting more than the rest in Bosman's - which in turn increasesthe wage bill.
fair points, but the only really fair comparison is overall costs of the playing staff - transfers in and out, wages, bonuses etc - and we never get that picture with wenger. the myth that he somehow builds teams on a shoestring with an average age of 13 is unquestioned, despite the fact that united regularly put out a team with a far greater proportion of young players (plus vds, scholes, giggs to bump the average up) than arsenal. and that's even without considering the complete lack of local talent in wenger's sides.
 
Old 01-06-2008, 12:25 PM
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fair points, but the only really fair comparison is overall costs of the playing staff - transfers in and out, wages, bonuses etc - and we never get that picture with wenger. the myth that he somehow builds teams on a shoestring with an average age of 13 is unquestioned, despite the fact that united regularly put out a team with a far greater proportion of young players (plus vds, scholes, giggs to bump the average up) than arsenal. and that's even without considering the complete lack of local talent in wenger's sides.
All fair points, what about the lack of local talent in our side though? We all thought United had a great youth team development program when Giggs, Scholes etc came through. In hindsight it looks like a one off. Since then we've had Wes Brown and that's it.

I agree Wenger benefits from favourable press but for what he's spent in the transfer market, they are punching above their weight.
 
Old 01-06-2008, 01:39 PM
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All fair points, what about the lack of local talent in our side though? We all thought United had a great youth team development program when Giggs, Scholes etc came through. In hindsight it looks like a one off. Since then we've had Wes Brown and that's it.

I agree Wenger benefits from favourable press but for what he's spent in the transfer market, they are punching above their weight.
yeah, that's a worry. i think the commitment is still there but the level is so much higher now. i think it's not really appreciated just how exceptional the giggs generation was/is. if we can get a couple of kids coming through the youth system each year, whether local or imported from slightly further afield like fletcher, then we're doing ok.

the key is the balance - mainly uk and with a fair share of players who have come through the ranks rather than being bought already estabished.
 
Old 01-06-2008, 01:45 PM
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It kicks the myth that the arse are not big payers, which seems to be in the

press every other week, in the bollocks:khitc:
 
Old 01-06-2008, 02:03 PM
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All fair points, what about the lack of local talent in our side though? We all thought United had a great youth team development program when Giggs, Scholes etc came through. In hindsight it looks like a one off. Since then we've had Wes Brown and that's it.

I agree Wenger benefits from favourable press but for what he's spent in the transfer market, they are punching above their weight.
Not local as such, but Fletch and O'Shea have come through too.

I would be worried if there were a slew of up and coming Mancunian footballers at other clubs, but the truth is that there isn't. The reason they aren't coming through is that the aren't there. The reason they aren't there is the comfortable and effortless lifestyle kids lead nowadays. A good recession might sort that out.
 
Old 01-06-2008, 05:01 PM
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A good recession might sort that out.
cant beat a good old recession
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