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Unread 28-12-2017, 03:53 PM
Sparky***
 
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The trouble is, what are they going to do if we catch up? Just spend more, whilst having the ability to jettison any failures swiftly. We hang on to ours for 5 years.
They're not invincible mate. They're currently experiencing the best form of any club side ever in this country, that's not sustainable. Where do they go from here? They can't get any better than winning every game can they.

United need to back the manager, invest in better players and build towards something.
 
Unread 28-12-2017, 04:48 PM
red in cumbria
 
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Could have sworn Leicester won the league a couple of years ago.
Amazing, but genuinely the last time something like that will ever happen unless things change.
 
Unread 28-12-2017, 07:56 PM
Rorschach
 
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They're not invincible mate. They're currently experiencing the best form of any club side ever in this country, that's not sustainable. Where do they go from here? They can't get any better than winning every game can they.

United need to back the manager, invest in better players and build towards something.
Agreed 100%.
 
Unread 28-12-2017, 08:49 PM
AK14
 
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They're not invincible mate. They're currently experiencing the best form of any club side ever in this country, that's not sustainable. Where do they go from here? They can't get any better than winning every game can they.

United need to back the manager, invest in better players and build towards something.
Yep.
 
Unread 28-12-2017, 09:05 PM
S/Side.Red
 
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from the years of 2008-9 to 2012-13 is where the damage was truly done.

Even without comparing the spending to City, how on earth Fergie expected us to remain relevant challengers domestically and in Europe whilst investing so little in top class players is just incredible.

You can't under invest like that for 6 years and expect not to eventually get left behind.

That's where we are now, we're going to have to spend twice as much as them to get to where they are.
It was definitely a factor. Just like many other things are factors; blaming just one is silly.

I have no doubt that had Fergie been ten years younger he would not have managed the squad in the same way as he did during those closing seasons. To allow Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Giggs, Scholes, Rooney and Fletcher to all decline together, then add Van Persie as his own going away present, was probably not the Fergie we knew with his eyes on the future.

It ended up leaving us playing catch-up in the market. Even with a blank chequebook, how on earth do you replace those players so quickly? The failures in the market and the constant changing of our direction under different managers has compounded it.

As has the fact that over the last three years City have spent big, but also spent well. They have had a few duds, but the big ones have been right. In 2015: Sterling, De Bruyne for £100m - great value. And Delph and Otamendi who are decent.

2016 they get the duds of Nolito and Bravo, but Sane, Stones and Jesus for the big money. Also Gundogan who now fit is showing he's a top player. This summer there were jokes about Walker, but he and Ederson have been outstanding additions. As Mendy should.

Many factors are behind it. But this is football and things change quickly. Cycles come and go. If we get our shit straight we'll be prime to take over when the Guardiola bubble bursts. I do fear that it might be a quite brutal next two or three years though.
 
Unread 28-12-2017, 09:13 PM
Sparky***
 
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It was definitely a factor. Just like many other things are factors; blaming just one is silly.

I have no doubt that had Fergie been ten years younger he would not have managed the squad in the same way as he did during those closing seasons. To allow Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Giggs, Scholes, Rooney and Fletcher to all decline together, then add Van Persie as his own going away present, was probably not the Fergie we knew with his eyes on the future.

It ended up leaving us playing catch-up in the market. Even with a blank chequebook, how on earth do you replace those players so quickly? The failures in the market and the constant changing of our direction under different managers has compounded it.

As has the fact that over the last three years City have spent big, but also spent well. They have had a few duds, but the big ones have been right. In 2015: Sterling, De Bruyne for £100m - great value. And Delph and Otamendi who are decent.

2016 they get the duds of Nolito and Bravo, but Sane, Stones and Jesus for the big money. Also Gundogan who now fit is showing he's a top player. This summer there were jokes about Walker, but he and Ederson have been outstanding additions. As Mendy should.

Many factors are behind it. But this is football and things change quickly. Cycles come and go. If we get our shit straight we'll be prime to take over when the Guardiola bubble bursts. I do fear that it might be a quite brutal next two or three years though.
Brutal two or three years? Bar 2013, since 2012 it's been constant kicks in the %@#$&!s for the last 6 £#%&!ing years pal.

You can point to them battering us 6-1, or turning up at old trafford pretty much every single season since 2011 and beating us at our own ground, or sealing the title with the last kick of the season, or beating us in the semi finals of the FA Cup to all but end their 30 odd year wait for a trophy...

...but their ultimate victory against us, their crowning £#%&!ing glory is effectively ending our season in December. Ultimately humiliating and reminding us just how far we've fallen.

Brutal two years? I don't even think we'd notice pal, we're punch drunk at this stage.
 
Unread 28-12-2017, 09:14 PM
Clownbones
 
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It was definitely a factor. Just like many other things are factors; blaming just one is silly.

I have no doubt that had Fergie been ten years younger he would not have managed the squad in the same way as he did during those closing seasons. To allow Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Giggs, Scholes, Rooney and Fletcher to all decline together, then add Van Persie as his own going away present, was probably not the Fergie we knew with his eyes on the future.

It ended up leaving us playing catch-up in the market. Even with a blank chequebook, how on earth do you replace those players so quickly? The failures in the market and the constant changing of our direction under different managers has compounded it.

As has the fact that over the last three years City have spent big, but also spent well. They have had a few duds, but the big ones have been right. In 2015: Sterling, De Bruyne for £100m - great value. And Delph and Otamendi who are decent.

2016 they get the duds of Nolito and Bravo, but Sane, Stones and Jesus for the big money. Also Gundogan who now fit is showing he's a top player. This summer there were jokes about Walker, but he and Ederson have been outstanding additions. As Mendy should.

Many factors are behind it. But this is football and things change quickly. Cycles come and go. If we get our shit straight we'll be prime to take over when the Guardiola bubble bursts. I do fear that it might be a quite brutal next two or three years though.
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Brutal two or three years? Bar 2013, since 2012 it's been constant kicks in the %@#$&!s for the last 6 £#%&!ing years pal.

You can point to them battering us 6-1, or turning up at old trafford pretty much every single season since 2011 and beating us at our own ground, or sealing the title with the last kick of the season, or beating us in the semi finals of the FA Cup to all but end their 30 odd year wait for a trophy...

...but their ultimate victory against us, their crowning £#%&!ing glory is effectively ending our season in December. Ultimately humiliating and reminding us just how far we've fallen.

Brutal two years? I don't even think we'd notice pal, we're punch drunk at this stage.
Agreed
 
Unread 28-12-2017, 10:21 PM
saffers
 
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Deary me, and over half ours is in the last 3 years ffs
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