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Unread 29-12-2017, 11:44 PM
Sparky***
 
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How is joe hart doing?



Mkhi got one of them. Might have been writers.



City’s needed loads of work. Hence it getting it.

Part of the problem with ours is the failure to develop the young talent, which was the main basis of what was left. If Shaw, Mensah, Rashford and Martial has developed the way De Bruyne, Sterling and Stones have, as they could, maybe we wouldn’t be as desperate for another half billion.
those 3 players cost City £150 million quid though. They didn't need much £#%&!ing "developing" did they ffs.

Mensah can't even get a game at £#%&!ing crystal palace.
 
Unread 29-12-2017, 11:45 PM
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If Mourinho didn't sell De Bruyne then Pep wouldn't have inherited him.

Makes you think....
 
Unread 29-12-2017, 11:46 PM
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If Mourinho didn't sell De Bruyne then Pep wouldn't have inherited him.

Makes you think....
he demanded a move. Nothing mourinho could do.
 
Unread 29-12-2017, 11:48 PM
Sandman
 
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he demanded a move. Nothing mourinho could do.
He could have tried playing him.
 
Unread 30-12-2017, 12:34 AM
Switching Off
 
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He could have tried playing him.
Villas Boas and Di Matteo both loaned him out without playing him. Mourinho played him 9 times and then the lad asked for a move and went to £#%&!ing Wolfsburg. Not a single big club or big manager came in for him, but it's Mourinho's fault that he became brilliant 3 years later
 
Unread 30-12-2017, 12:56 AM
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Villas Boas and Di Matteo both loaned him out without playing him. Mourinho played him 9 times and then the lad asked for a move and went to £#%&!ing Wolfsburg. Not a single big club or big manager came in for him, but it's Mourinho's fault that he became brilliant 3 years later
That's what is known as an inconvenient truth.
 
Unread 30-12-2017, 01:06 AM
S/Side.Red
 
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those 3 players cost City £150 million quid though. They didn't need much £#%&!ing "developing" did they ffs.

Mensah can't even get a game at £#%&!ing crystal palace.
Yeah nobody thought Stones and Sterling needed developing 18 months ago
 
Unread 30-12-2017, 01:30 AM
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Yeah nobody thought Stones and Sterling needed developing 18 months ago
Whatever mate but sterling in particular was already a £#%&!ing pretty good player at Liverpool before he moved there. He was hardly some kid plucked out of nowhere.

Stones has £#%&! all defending to do either, all he's pretty much doing is passing it about whilst his team has the ball 80% of every game. No idea if he's developed as a defender or not
 
Unread 30-12-2017, 01:37 AM
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Whatever mate but sterling in particular was already a £#%&!ing pretty good player at Liverpool before he moved there. He was hardly some kid plucked out of nowhere.

Stones has £#%&! all defending to do either, all he's pretty much doing is passing it about whilst his team has the ball 80% of every game. No idea if he's developed as a defender or not
Really don’t think anyone on here would have swapped Rashford and Martial for Sterling and De Bruyne in summer 2016. Whatever we think about squad quality, their players are simply progressing better than ours. At what point do we look at coaching?

Have also decided to ignore Saffers’ assertion that the players we bought 2014-16 were shite, given he backed almost every one of them at the time as means of suggesting LvG wasn’t getting the best out of them. The cheek of that goalpost movement
 
Unread 30-12-2017, 01:47 AM
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Really don’t think anyone on here would have swapped Rashford and Martial for Sterling and De Bruyne in summer 2016. Whatever we think about squad quality, their players are simply progressing better than ours. At what point do we look at coaching?
What the £#%&! are you going on about? De Bruyne was the best player in Germany when they £#%&!ing bought him for 50 million £#%&!ing quid. Why are you even comparing that situation with United?

He was 25 years old and the finished article when they brought him back from Germany.

Guardiola isn't working with a bunch of 19-20 year olds for christ's sake. John Stones is 24 ffs.. Even Sterling, at the age of 21, had clocked up 130 premier league appearances before he went to City a couple of years ago.

Developed? £#%&!ing hell. You couldn't make that shit up. Yeah well done on "developing" the 25 year old best player in Germany who you bought for 50m. Bravo. What a guy.
 
Unread 30-12-2017, 02:10 AM
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What the £#%&! are you going on about? De Bruyne was the best player in Germany when they £#%&!ing bought him for 50 million £#%&!ing quid. Why are you even comparing that situation with United?

He was 25 years old and the finished article when they brought him back from Germany.

Guardiola isn't working with a bunch of 19-20 year olds for christ's sake. John Stones is 24 ffs.. Even Sterling, at the age of 21, had clocked up 130 premier league appearances before he went to City a couple of years ago.

Developed? £#%&!ing hell. You couldn't make that shit up. Yeah well done on "developing" the 25 year old best player in Germany who you bought for 50m. Bravo. What a guy.
Have they got better? Yes. That is known in the game as development.

Ours haven't.

Stones is 23. Luke Shaw is 22. Sterling is roughly the same age as Martial. Nobody is saying that the situations are the same, just that a clear improvement in players under Guardiola is helping City. Are any of ours getting better?

Fact is that Martial and Rashford looked absolutely phenomenal and haven't kicked on. Blame them if you want, but it's not a problem City are having with the aforementioned players, or Sane or Gabriel Jesus...
 
Unread 30-12-2017, 02:16 AM
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Have they got better? Yes. That is known in the game as development.

Ours haven't.

Stones is 23. Luke Shaw is 22. Sterling is roughly the same age as Martial. Nobody is saying that the situations are the same, just that a clear improvement in players under Guardiola is helping City. Are any of ours getting better?

Fact is that Martial and Rashford looked absolutely phenomenal and haven't kicked on. Blame them if you want, but it's not a problem City are having with the aforementioned players, or Sane or Gabriel Jesus...
Maybe they're just better £#%&!ing players, which is why City paid about £200m for all them? Did you ever stop to consider that?

Shaw, i don't know if you've noticed, has had some rather serious injury problems since he came here.

Martial's problems are between his own ears.

Rashford isn't and will never be a top class player no matter who manages him.
 
Unread 30-12-2017, 02:21 AM
S/Side.Red
 
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Maybe they're just better £#%&!ing players, which is why City paid about £200m for all them? Did you ever stop to consider that?

Shaw, i don't know if you've noticed, has had some rather serious injury problems since he came here.

Martial's problems are between his own ears.

Rashford isn't and will never be a top class player no matter who manages him.
It is possible that every single young player who looked a great talent for us isn't actually that good and every single one who looked a great talent for them has fortunately for them come good. That is possible, and it is just bad luck for Mou.

Just like it's bad luck for him that the two best players in the league this season as well as his £75m summer signing are guys he allowed to leave Chelsea instead of developing them himself. He's just a very unfortunate coach when it comes to young players.
 
Unread 30-12-2017, 02:31 AM
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It is possible that every single young player who looked a great talent for us isn't actually that good and every single one who looked a great talent for them has fortunately for them come good. That is possible, and it is just bad luck for Mou.

Just like it's bad luck for him that the two best players in the league this season as well as his £75m summer signing are guys he allowed to leave Chelsea instead of developing them himself. He's just a very unfortunate coach when it comes to young players.
City's players are all in the form of their lives, playing within a team surrounded by top class players, all absolutely b#@&%! with confidence. I should imagine that makes "developing" a lot easier, if that's what you want to call going out and buying a load of top class talent.

Manchester United haven't produced a real top class young footballer in about 25 £#%&!ing years.

Either way, your narrative is and always will be 'mourinho destroys young players, he's bad at that, so if any young players are not playing great, that's all on him'...... 'city buy a load of 50m established international players who then do really well, so it must be Guardiola's genius at work'.

I honestly think you'd be a lot happier just joining Bluemoon forum and engaging the humungous £#%&!ing pep circle jerk on there mate. You never know United may have another bad result at the weekend so you can join in with them at bashing our manager's every achievement and pissing on the 2 cup finals he won 6 months ago like a £#%&!ing fully paid up bert.

£#%&!ing unbelievable.
 
Unread 30-12-2017, 02:42 AM
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It is possible that every single young player who looked a great talent for us isn't actually that good and every single one who looked a great talent for them has fortunately for them come good. That is possible, and it is just bad luck for Mou.

Just like it's bad luck for him that the two best players in the league this season as well as his £75m summer signing are guys he allowed to leave Chelsea instead of developing them himself. He's just a very unfortunate coach when it comes to young players.


Sparky £#%&!ing worships Mourinho like an uneducated Kashmiri widow worships the prophet Mohammed.
 
Unread 30-12-2017, 02:44 AM
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It is possible that every single young player who looked a great talent for us isn't actually that good and every single one who looked a great talent for them has fortunately for them come good. That is possible, and it is just bad luck for Mou.

Just like it's bad luck for him that the two best players in the league this season as well as his £75m summer signing are guys he allowed to leave Chelsea instead of developing them himself. He's just a very unfortunate coach when it comes to young players.
 
Unread 30-12-2017, 02:45 AM
Sparky***
 
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It's quarter to 3 in the morning lads.

What the £#%&! are we doing?
 
Unread 30-12-2017, 02:47 AM
Neo
 
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It's quarter to 3 in the morning lads.

What the £#%&! are we doing?


This is prime time, all the top Fredsters are logged on.

And Dunk.
 
Unread 30-12-2017, 02:51 AM
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This is prime time, all the top Fredsters are logged on.

And Dunk.
I’m sorry, who are you again?
 
Unread 30-12-2017, 03:58 AM
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Rashford isn't and will never be a top class player no matter who manages him.
Mourinho can never be accused of not getting the 'best' out of him.
I read some where he along with Valencia are mourinhos most featured outfield players since joining united

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It is possible that every single young player who looked a great talent for us isn't actually that good and every single one who looked a great talent for them has fortunately for them come good. That is possible, and it is just bad luck for Mou.

Just like it's bad luck for him that the two best players in the league this season as well as his £75m summer signing are guys he allowed to leave Chelsea instead of developing them himself. He's just a very unfortunate coach when it comes to young players.
the de Bruyne and salah point is a decent one and something I highlighted a while ago but you can only look at whats going on today.

to my knowledge Mourinho isn't failing any of our young players they simply aren't good enough.

our great fonsu-mensah can't even get in the palace team.
The Scottish Player has hardly covered himself in glory in his few appearances this season
martial would be bit more consistent if he was given the match time we are squandering on our very own... Alex hunter*

oh and speaking of young players....how would you describe van goals nurturing and development on depay and blind? two young players from his country his signed for us??
and while your at it....van gaal has zaha around as well? did he develop him?
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