*Official Match thread* Stoke v United - The Farce Returns 01/02/14

this season is full of records being broken.
that the first time we've lost to stoke since 1984!

Originally Posted by believe

You're easily pleased

I know you won't admit it, but this is why I've been banging that £#%&!ing Kagawa 'out of position' drum loud and clear for the past 12 months. Mata looked totally and utterly lost today, but then, so did all the other players.


You can have all the talent in the world but unless they're sent out on to the pitch with clear, defined tactics instruction and motivation you're basically relying on them pulling something totally out of the bag.


We could sign Ronaldo and Messi and still find a way to look disorganised on the pitch.

Originally Posted by bicyclerepairman

this season is full of records being broken.
that the first time we've lost to stoke since 1984!

And they finished bottom of the league that season with about 15 points

Originally Posted by believe

Mata looked more lost than kagawa

Disagree there, amidst all the chaos he created almost all the Utd chances, the only Utd player showing composure. Moyes's crack team will soon have that out of him.

Another shit team beating Utd, played 2 of the bottom 3 in the last 2 games and struggled badly in both games. The team and squad is better that this, Moyes can talk about ripping up the squad because it is unacceptable but he has turned a championship winning team into mid table plodders.

Originally Posted by bigMikeA

I know you won't admit it, but this is why I've been banging that £#%&!ing Kagawa 'out of position' drum loud and clear for the past 12 months. Mata looked totally and utterly lost today, but then, so did all the other players.


You can have all the talent in the world but unless they're sent out on to the pitch with clear, defined tactics instruction and motivation you're basically relying on them pulling something totally out of the bag.


We could sign Ronaldo and Messi and still find a way to look disorganised on the pitch.

Can Messi fill in at right back?

Originally Posted by MJ Ramone

Shocking.

I know we had a couple of injuries which will no doubt allow Moyes an easy ride in his post match interviews - & we certainly were unlucky to lose the game, but why did he not just bring Fletcher on into midfield when Jones got his injury?

The whole shape of the side collapsed.
Pathetic.

Stoke are dirty lucky @#%&!s though & Hughes is such a bitter £#%&!er.
State of the Ref as well - again:shakehead:

Moyes is like a jinx. He's the managerial equivalent of walking under 45 ladders and smashing a house full of mirrors.

Stoke must have been ecstatic when they saw the weather, probably couldn't believe their luck. Just what they needed to reduce the game to even more of a £#%&!ing sunday league hoof-fest. Obviously we duly obliged by playing exactly the same game along with them. A succession of corners and free kicks that we never in a million years looked like scoring from. Cleverley spurned our one and only chance with the kind of pig's arse of a finish that has become synonymous with manchester united's central midfielders.

I don't even know what else to say, we are a sorry bunch of losers. As soon as Adam scored that 2nd you may as well have blown up and spared us all the torture of watching another 35 mins of that shite.

Every week with this clown at the helm we plumb new depths. Even signing a world class player like mata couldn't lift our spirits for more than a week. There's no confidence, no spirit, no belief and every defeat is just routine now. We've gotten into that nice habit of losing.

Is it May yet.

10th defeat for moyes

Originally Posted by woody78

I'm not defending moyes but we were genuinely unlucky today .

Very unlucky. Plus the ref was awful.

This season has been about two things: luck and bad refs.

Moyes deserves time. After all he has done in his career and for the club.

And don't forget, we beat Leverkusen.

Originally Posted by Lazlo Panaflex

Very unlucky. Plus the ref was awful.

This season has been about two things: luck and bad refs.

Moyes deserves time. After all he has done in his career and for the club.

And don't forget, we beat Leverkusen.

Originally Posted by silv

10th defeat for moyes

:shakehead:

Dropped points in exactly half of our 24 league games now

Originally Posted by woody78

I'm not defending moyes but we were genuinely unlucky today .

I really can't defend welbeck much more , does absolutely nothing

Wtf was Moyes thinking bringing him on when Jones got injured??
Mata, Van Persie & Rooney had linked up 2 or 3 times & it was looking ok.

Carrick dropping to centre half was an issue but keep the front line as it is & put Fletch in alongside Cleverley.

It needlessly created an other problem :shakehead:

Originally Posted by MJ Ramone

Wtf was Moyes thinking bringing him on when Jones got injured??
Mata, Van Persie & Rooney had linked up 2 or 3 times & it was looking ok.

Carrick dropping to centre half was an issue but keep the front line as it is & put Fletch in alongside Cleverley.

It needlessly created an other problem :shakehead:

Fletch is finished. At least at this level.

The weather is to blame

Literally anything is blameable.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Fletch is finished. At least at this level.

What level? Are we even playing at a level?

Few observations:

Chris Smalling is one of the worst passers of a ball I have ever seen.
Danny Wellbeck has very little quality.
Seven subs allows a decent manager to put at least two defenders on the bench, one of whom should be a centre back.
Ashley Young is a 3 out of 10 player. Just because he'll do something good every now and then doesn't detract from that fact. If Moyes doesn't know that by now then maybe his critics have a point.
Evra is useless anywhere south of the halfway line.

Originally Posted by Denis Irwell

£#%&! off Adam - sick of looking at the penguin-faced @#%&!

Originally Posted by Lazlo Panaflex

The weather is to blame

Literally anything is blameable.

Do you not think we were a bit unlucky today ?

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Fletch is finished. At least at this level.

He'll have a job for life though

Normally when we lose fans want to pick out a scapegoat and say this player is shite and that player is shite

It's not the players that is the problem but how they are playing as a team and that is down to Moyes and the coaching staff

I watched the Newcastle Sunderland match beforehand and it's was amazing how much Sunderland had improved in just a few months under Poyet and his coaching setup
Centre backs encourage to split and play it out from the back, great movement on the field so every player has an option on the ball and every player knows his role in the side

We on the other hand look an absolute shambles in just a few months under Moyes

Wait until the summer and then sack this average mediocre @#%&! and bring in Van Gaal