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If they understood why they'd hired LvG, they wouldn't have issued Rooney a 5-yr contract three months beforehand. Nor would they have broken the club record on Mata around that time. LvG arrived in early May and we were desperately trying to sign several players in the last weeks of August. It was a mess, because the club didn't have a clue what they were doing beyond appointing a big name. Then Mourinho arrives and by his own admission he has to delete the memories of the previous two years. He's as opposite to LvG as you could get. He doesn't want to inherit a side that has been playing with Daley Blind at CB on the halfway line, or having to indulge the likes of Martial and Shaw after the club had invested so much in their potential. Van Gaal will feel he could have succeeded with better attacking variety; Mourinho will feel that with a more solid and resilient defence his brand of football would be making United much harder to beat and results would be almost undeniable. Things will get easier for future manages because while it feels like we are in turmoil, the squad is inevitably getting better and younger, having been pretty much decimated in the year or two after Fergie left such was the lack of long-term quality he left behind. But managers will always be taking on too much responsibility, and fighting against the mass incompetence from above. |
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Spurs are ran by the ultimate penny-pinchers, they shop for players that no-one else wants out of sheer necessity yet they are getting every last sinew out of their squad and are certainly overperforming relative to the talent they have. It's not all on the managers but both of them have failed to bring what was reasonably expected. |
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we don't need united to be harder to beat, we want united to try to win and, when they fail, to fail gloriously. winning despicably is no good to anyone other than the glazers and losing despicably is no good to anyone. I know you are trying to say it wasn't king louis's fault, but it definitely £#%&!ing is mourinho's fault (and, soz, it was king louis's too). mourinho's brand of football is a £#%&!ing problem, irrespective of results. |
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It's ultimately the club's fault. They have had no plan and it shows. Every season seems like a rebuild. |
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Yeah sorry Siders the problem is we struggle like £#%&! to win, we're pretty hard to beat already, and if he wants a tougher defence then playing specialist fullbacks that don't necessitate the centre halves and Matic covering their arse every time they fail to get back after losing the ball would be a hell of a start.
Ultimately the simple fact is that other supposedly lesser managers do a better job with players who are demonstrably a level below what we have. I could even stand pragmatic football, if it was halfway competent and coherent, but the odd £#%&! up by a centre half is no excuse for Pogba, Matic, The Scottish Player and Fellaini having the off the ball movement of Stephen Hawking and passing like Ray Charles. We're not shielding the defence by constantly letting runners go after losing the ball at the halfway line. Matic and whoever is at centre half are running themselves ragged covering for two absentee full backs and a midfield that can't retain the ball. |
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You also wonder to what extent the club are culpable in the recruitment failings. LvG in 2014 resorting to panic buys with guys he played against at the World Cup; even Daley Blind surely could have been signed in June if he was an absolute priority. There was a lack of creativity about the signings the following year, and Mourinho has three times gone back for his old players, even though one of them he sold and another let him down at Chelsea. Sanchez and Pogba are glamour signings. I'm not convinced Mkhi wasn't signed to appease Raiola. Makes you wonder about the club's scouting network and connections across the game. The club are giving the managers huge budgets, and that's not insignificant. But you do sense the general ineptitude is undermining that. And as much as it seems harsh to keep coming back to it, I wonder how much of a difference it would have made (even to Moysie) had he inherited 5/6 top class prime players who would make Fergie's departure less heavy. Again arguably an issue for the club to consider, but you get the sense that a 70 year old bloke retiring caught them by surprise. Says it all, really. |
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There was no need for a complete rebuild, it should have been a continuity, tweeking not totally abandoning a successful formula......we were at the top, some years, by a country mile......we should have groomed a successor. Had them working under Ferguson for a couple of seasons before his retirement, refreshing the squad, not running it down. But no, not only did we come to an abrupt end, we also allowed Gill to leave and then the first thing a panic, hopeless f***wit of an appointment (moyes) did was release most if not all of the backroom staff No wonder the club has drifted along with no real plan, vision,direction....just compounding the problem....with each subsequent managerial and playing staff appointment Lunacy of epic proportions. |
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