ETH surveillance 22/23

Onana
Back 4
Amrabat ———— Casimero
Mount
Anthony ———Hojlund——-Rashford

This is ETH team (focussing on the front 6)

That’s 300m spent + home grown rashford.

If mourinho assembled this , you lot would never keep saying he is the “right man for the job”

Originally Posted by Sparky***

£#%&! sacking him. At some point these goons running our club have to stand by their convictions and see a job through.

it's like getting rid of your builders halfway through building your house because the roof isn't on yet whilst they're still laying concrete at the foundations.

At some point we're going to have to give someone 4 years to sort this mess out. There isn't another manager or coach out there who will come in and fix any of this mess in the timeframe that is apparently acceptable to modern football standards.

But if you insist , go on, sack him and go and get some gimp like Potter or everyone's latest pin up De Zerbi and drop them in with all this shit to deal with

• Greenwood Suspension
• Antony in trouble
• uncertainty about ownership
• Sancho situation
• Ronaldo debacle
• Players on enormous wages who think they're above being managed
• Numerous last ditch loan signings that no other manager has to put up with
• people above you are all new to the job and haven't a clue what they're doing

Add to that powder keg of circumstances the most scrutinised club in the country with the most expectations and watch them £#%&!ing melt in the hot seat after 6 months. Every other week one of your highly paid moron players steps out of line and you get grilled about it every week in pressers, you try and instil some discipline and standards and get met with petulance and apathy.

Yeah go on drop some untested herbert into all this and watch it swallow them up.

Absolutely this.

It's absolutely incredible people seriously think the latest Flavio del Mes, Joachim van der Stats, Gary Potter or whoever would come in make any £#%&!ing difference.

The egos in the squad wouldn't play for them, the pressure would make all their hair fall out and they'd be at Watford before you could say 'antidisestablishmentarianism'.

And then we'd be back at square one, or even worse, desperately dragging in some poor bastard as caretaker until we can find any masochistic lunatic willing to take the job.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

£#%&! sacking him. At some point these goons running our club have to stand by their convictions and see a job through.

it's like getting rid of your builders halfway through building your house because the roof isn't on yet whilst they're still laying concrete at the foundations.

At some point we're going to have to give someone 4 years to sort this mess out. There isn't another manager or coach out there who will come in and fix any of this mess in the timeframe that is apparently acceptable to modern football standards.

But if you insist , go on, sack him and go and get some gimp like Potter or everyone's latest pin up De Zerbi and drop them in with all this shit to deal with

• Greenwood Suspension
• Antony in trouble
• uncertainty about ownership
• Sancho situation
• Ronaldo debacle
• Players on enormous wages who think they're above being managed
• Numerous last ditch loan signings that no other manager has to put up with
• people above you are all new to the job and haven't a clue what they're doing

Add to that powder keg of circumstances the most scrutinised club in the country with the most expectations and watch them £#%&!ing melt in the hot seat after 6 months. Every other week one of your highly paid moron players steps out of line and you get grilled about it every week in pressers, you try and instil some discipline and standards and get met with petulance and apathy.

Yeah go on drop some untested herbert into all this and watch it swallow them up.

Spot on.

Stick by the manager, give the stick to the #@&%!s who can't make a simple 5 yard pass or jog back when the opposition are counter attacking.

This is the first major wobble we've had with Ten Hag. It's the umpteenth we've had with those tossers on the pitch. If you're looking for a pattern*, that's a good place to start.


*Obviously notwithstanding the filth in the boardroom.

It's normal after getting bitch-slapped to start throwing haymakers all over the place; it's anger trying to find a target, but i'm seeing tactics, formations, lineups, strategies all getting thrown out there when none of these things make a blind bit of difference if you don't have the 4 basic components of success:

Commitment - 100% on both sides of the ball. Make runs off the ball, not just once - the whole game. Lose it? Work your socks off to get it back. Not every now and then, or when you feel like it, every time, the whole game.

Intent (or bravery). Go into every game intending to make a £#%&!ing difference. Don't just look to escape without being the fall guy. Take some risk; play a ball someone can run into, not at, or behind them, just so you get your completed pass and don't get ridiculed for giving it away, or even worse, first time backwards when you have 25 yards of open grass behind you.

Decisions - Is it really asking too much for professionals who've done nothing but kick a ball since they were teenagers, trained every day and been coached by title winning managers to know what a game calls for in that moment? Don't get flustered, don't panic and be composed.

Execution - The ability to actually pull off what you've decided to do, consistently. Play 15-20 yard balls accurately, don't have the first touch of a trampoline and hit the £#%&!ing target. The Scottish Player gets a decent connection with his first, or goes either side of the keeper with his second, hojlund releases early or goes down with the Stones contact, Rashford doesn't miss the target from 5 yards out and the conversation this morning could have been very different. If it were one-off, ok, but it's all £#%&!ing season. 1 Premier League goal between the lot of them, 1; 900+ minutes, 1 goal - and it's the manager is getting pelters.

These basics are far and away the most important factors between getting a result or not, between good team performances and the crap we're having to endure right now.

Until these things are right tactics formation and styles are £#%&!ing irrelevant.

Originally Posted by ZiggyStardust

He was a bit more revealing in his interview with Dutch media after the match

So he’s not even trying to get us to play like his Ajax
Then what’s the point of him being here as we appointed him because of his work at Ajax and wanted him to bring that here but he’s not even trying to do that

He’s really starting to lose me here

Whats that supposed to mean lmao. Of course he wouldnt play exactly same like Ajax. Does City play same way as 2011 Barca? Does Liverpool play same as 2013 Dortmund? If you say yes then I question your football knowledge. We do have a style of play. Its not about the plan, its about execution. Injuries havent helped either. Let's be patient. Remember at end of 20-21 season everyone was in unison that we need to be patient for 3-4 years even if he finishes 10th. Now as soon as theres a bad run of games Tenhagout crowd is in full force again.

Originally Posted by atticusgrinch

Are you suggesting that every manager will turn out like Ferguson if they're given enough time? Because that would be £#%&!ing stupid wouldn't it?

I don't want Ten Hag sacked. I'd like him to find his balls though ASAP.

No he is suggesting that it's too early to judge a manager 10 games into his 2nd season, especially considering he massively overachieved in his 1st

Originally Posted by Reddevils_fan

Whats that supposed to mean lmao. Of course he wouldnt play exactly same like Ajax. Does City play same way as 2011 Barca? Does Liverpool play same as 2013 Dortmund? If you say yes then I question your football knowledge. We do have a style of play. Its not about the plan, its about execution. Injuries havent helped either. Let's be patient. Remember at end of 20-21 season everyone was in unison that we need to be patient for 3-4 years even if he finishes 10th. Now as soon as theres a bad run of games Tenhagout crowd is in full force again.



No he is suggesting that it's too early to judge a manager 10 games into his 2nd season, especially considering he massively overachieved in his 1st

He’s not though is he, because he literally referenced 1986-1992 which is.. 6 years and not 10 games into a second season.

The first season was great. Dropping Rashtard for being late. Making them all run 15k but doing it with them. Dropping established players because they were playing shit.

That was great. What happened to that? Has he just been ground down by the shit@#%&!ery at every level of the club?

if ten Hag feels forced to persist with underperforming players because he's worried that discontent in the dressing room will reach critical mass, then the club needs to decide who rules the roost, otherwise these lunatics will be running the asylum forever. We can't keep banging on about history and culture, then do the exact opposite of what our two greatest ever managers would have done.

Originally Posted by marlo

It’s obvious the players (half of which are his own players) don’t believe in what he is trying to do.

So what do you do, just keep hoping his Ajax success will translate…
How many Dutch league managers have been a success here with their philosophy and all that?

We are a big club and sometimes have to make a hard decision.

He has mismanaged the squad, wasted money and hasn’t shown us his has a style of play or signed players that fit with a system.

Signing casimero one summer and Mount the next is the activity of a man without a plan.

Yesterday after seeing the first half he decided to go with The Scottish Player and eriksen in the middle of the park with mount in the hole.
That’s sackable.

Players dont believe in what hes trying to do? Based on what? Go look at stats. United are top 3 in most distance ran. United are top 3 in most pressures applies. First in most transistions created. Stop this stupid narrative that players are not trying or he's lost the dressing room. Players are not tactically habituated or intelligent enough to execute his plans properly. Injuries have not helped. I am not gonna comment on signings like Mount. No club in the world has 100% hit rate of good signings. And Mount's been here, what? 3 months barely? Stop being so negative and support the team. I see a team thats trying, but lacking in intelligence and confidence, ravaged by injuries. Spreading toxicity and negativity is not gonna help them in any meaningful way. Be patient for now, everyone was saying at the end of 20-21 season that Ten Hag needs to be backed for 3-4 years even if he finishes 10th but let's all forget about it now as soon as results do not go our way? You either believe in the process and back the manager for 3-4 years or you don't. Simple as that. Cant be going around claiming to back the manager during good times and wanting him sacked and project dismantles at bad times

Third place runners trophy October 2023

I see we're adding "terrible negotiator" to the list of ETH's failings. The bastard.

it's easy for people to talk 3, 4 years until they have to live those 4 years week by week. Almost everyone agreed ten hag did well first year, but we're 15 total games into a new season and already the ridicule in the media is deafening.

Originally Posted by Sheik JaBooty

it's easy for people to talk 3, 4 years until they have to live those 4 years week by week. Almost everyone agreed ten hag did well first year, but we're 15 total games into a new season and already the ridicule in the media is deafening.

Oh no, media ridicule !!!

Originally Posted by Sparky***

£#%&! sacking him. At some point these goons running our club have to stand by their convictions and see a job through.

it's like getting rid of your builders halfway through building your house because the roof isn't on yet whilst they're still laying concrete at the foundations.

At some point we're going to have to give someone 4 years to sort this mess out. There isn't another manager or coach out there who will come in and fix any of this mess in the timeframe that is apparently acceptable to modern football standards.

But if you insist , go on, sack him and go and get some gimp like Potter or everyone's latest pin up De Zerbi and drop them in with all this shit to deal with

• Greenwood Suspension
• Antony in trouble
• uncertainty about ownership
• Sancho situation
• Ronaldo debacle
• Players on enormous wages who think they're above being managed
• Numerous last ditch loan signings that no other manager has to put up with
• people above you are all new to the job and haven't a clue what they're doing

Add to that powder keg of circumstances the most scrutinised club in the country with the most expectations and watch them £#%&!ing melt in the hot seat after 6 months. Every other week one of your highly paid moron players steps out of line and you get grilled about it every week in pressers, you try and instil some discipline and standards and get met with petulance and apathy.

Yeah go on drop some untested herbert into all this and watch it swallow them up.

Postage.

I feel mental saying this but any chance Bruno & Rashford could do a Sancho and criticise selection,maybe then they could actually get dropped from this team

Originally Posted by ZiggyStardust

He was a bit more revealing in his interview with Dutch media after the match

So he’s not even trying to get us to play like his Ajax
Then what’s the point of him being here as we appointed him because of his work at Ajax and wanted him to bring that here but he’s not even trying to do that

He’s really starting to lose me here

I wouldn't read much into that. Ajax as an institution has a particular ethos they drill into their youth players from the earliest age, that they hire their coaches based on, and they sign players specifically for. They're all singing from the same hymn sheet in a way no one here can say our club does. The most successful period of time for Klopp at Liverpool came when they reigned in their attacking intent a little more than his early years there, and a lot more compared to his Dortmund team which played at 100mph. The principles to work towards still stay the same but you have to adapt to what you have and your opponents too. I'm sure Ten Hag does want us to play quick pass and move football in the opposition half, a high press and playing out from the back because we do generally see that in the first 10-20 minutes of games. We saw that yesterday. The problem seems to be there is a sudden drop off and more often than not concede first.

Originally Posted by Buck

I wouldn't read much into that. Ajax as an institution has a particular ethos they drill into their youth players from the earliest age, that they hire their coaches based on, and they sign players specifically for. They're all singing from the same hymn sheet in a way no one here can say our club does. The most successful period of time for Klopp at Liverpool came when they reigned in their attacking intent a little more than his early years there, and a lot more compared to his Dortmund team which played at 100mph. The principles to work towards still stay the same but you have to adapt to what you have and your opponents too. I'm sure Ten Hag does want us to play quick pass and move football in the opposition half, a high press and playing out from the back because we do generally see that in the first 10-20 minutes of games. We saw that yesterday. The problem seems to be there is a sudden drop off and more often than not concede first.

Yeah that is what generally happens in a rebuild. No team in world goes from playing park the bus counter attack football like under Ole to gung ho high press high intensity football in a year. It takes at least 3-4 years to see those performances consistently every game. Thing is it starts out with 20 minutes, 30 minutes and slowly improves from there. It takes time as players are getting habituated, and understanding the tactics, getting to the required level of fitness etc. When united hired Ten Hag, everyone was in unison that we need to back Ten Hag for 4 years even if he finishes midtable. But now that it has come to live that reality, most have conviniently forgotten their pledge as soon as there's bad run of ganes completely ignoring the injury crisis and everything else

Originally Posted by marlo

If mourinho assembled this , you lot would never keep saying he is the “right man for the job”

Would you like Mourinho back?

Originally Posted by croady26

I feel mental saying this but any chance Bruno & Rashford could do a Sancho and criticise selection,maybe then they could actually get dropped from this team

are you saying the manager singled out sancho for Criticism for not pulling his weight in training fair enough but refuses to punish players for not pulling their weight in matches…

You’re basically saying sancho is a scapegoat….
Wait a minute…..


Selective discipline

Originally Posted by VanHaaksbergen

Would you like Mourinho back?

maybe not.

It’s worth noting he wanted rid of martial and pogba and was overruled and sacked not long after.


anyway mourinho isn’t the answer at Roma he won them a 2nd rate trophy and has them in mid table having won only a handful of their games etc

Originally Posted by Sheik JaBooty

It's normal after getting bitch-slapped to start throwing haymakers all over the place; it's anger trying to find a target, but i'm seeing tactics, formations, lineups, strategies all getting thrown out there when none of these things make a blind bit of difference if you don't have the 4 basic components of success:

Commitment - 100% on both sides of the ball. Make runs off the ball, not just once - the whole game. Lose it? Work your socks off to get it back. Not every now and then, or when you feel like it, every time, the whole game.

Intent (or bravery). Go into every game intending to make a £#%&!ing difference. Don't just look to escape without being the fall guy. Take some risk; play a ball someone can run into, not at, or behind them, just so you get your completed pass and don't get ridiculed for giving it away, or even worse, first time backwards when you have 25 yards of open grass behind you.

Decisions - Is it really asking too much for professionals who've done nothing but kick a ball since they were teenagers, trained every day and been coached by title winning managers to know what a game calls for in that moment? Don't get flustered, don't panic and be composed.

Execution - The ability to actually pull off what you've decided to do, consistently. Play 15-20 yard balls accurately, don't have the first touch of a trampoline and hit the £#%&!ing target. The Scottish Player gets a decent connection with his first, or goes either side of the keeper with his second, hojlund releases early or goes down with the Stones contact, Rashford doesn't miss the target from 5 yards out and the conversation this morning could have been very different. If it were one-off, ok, but it's all £#%&!ing season. 1 Premier League goal between the lot of them, 1; 900+ minutes, 1 goal - and it's the manager is getting pelters.

These basics are far and away the most important factors between getting a result or not, between good team performances and the crap we're having to endure right now.

Until these things are right tactics formation and styles are £#%&!ing irrelevant.

This sums up my feelings perfectly -

The players need to step up big time here but I get the feeling they can smell blood in the water re the manager and realise they are escaping a lot of the blame.

The players to a man are better than what they are showing at the moment and that is pretty damning.

Originally Posted by VanHaaksbergen

Would you like Mourinho back?