Mourinho in by Boxing Day

Originally Posted by dunk

Happens at every club, same pattern, different players

You could say exactly the same thing about Van Gaal tbf.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

If it were any club but Chelsea then yeah but I'm not surprised because those c***s have got their way through 11 managers in 15 years.

The same applies to Real Madrid, an utterly poisonous dressing room at both clubs.

True. Whatever he is, he's always interesting. There are extenuating circumstances for all of his Fallings out.

£#%&!, I reckon I could blag falling out with abramovich onto my CV.

Would United be the first place he'll get proper support where he doesn't need to 'act out'?

I can't help but feel we're meeting in the middle too . We apparently didn't want him in 2013 because of his reputation, but we can be far less selective now. But his stock has gone down
..... all of the shortcomings have come true anyway: boring football, media cringes, @#%&!s at the club.....are we really worried about what he'll do to us?

Originally Posted by utd99

You could say exactly the same thing about Van Gaal tbf.

Probably. But LvG isn't a £#%&!ing horrible bastard with a team in his shitty, cynical image.

Originally Posted by dunk

Probably. But LvG isn't a £#%&!ing horrible bastard with a team in his shitty, cynical image.

I think you're exaggerating mourinho a bit.

And Mata.

Originally Posted by Billy Redface

I think you're exaggerating mourinho a bit.

And Mata.

Nope. Everyone hated his Porto team and his first Cheslea team. Hated. Inter were as pragmatic and cynical as it gets. I think El Classico stooped to new levels of shitty cynicism with him at the helm of Madrid, fingers in the eye and generally classless behaviour, and look at the state of the shower of @#%&!s he just left and complaining about Hazard being treated for injury etc. awful.

Mata is embarrassing.

Originally Posted by dunk

Nope. Everyone hated his Porto team and his first Cheslea team. Hated.

Mata is embarrassing.

And what about the last ten years? Was his inter side detestable? Madrid are always horrible, but any worse under him? Chelsea's main @#%&!yness comes from Costa, but I can take or leave most of the others.

Don't get me wrong, he's a @#%&!. But so are most good managers and you're going to seriously limit your options if you pick nice guys.

Juan Mata is not embarrassing. Don't be daft. I agree with you about his shortcomings and suitability but he's not an embarrassment or utter £#%&!, as you described him recently.

I'm sorry, but watching Mata's laughably weak attempts to maintain possession or even get involved in the game today were a £#%&!ing joke. And it's most weeks. Occasionally pops up with a lovely pass or a tap in (2 this season from open play?) and the happy clappy sunshine bus brigade who worship his blog or some shit absolve him of all culpability for the rest of his performance. He's £#%&!.

And yes, all of Mourinho's teams have been detested and cheats.

In 2006-07 the 'neutrals' wanted United to win the league ffs just because they were sick of him and his bullying set piece specialists. That never £#%&!ing happens

Originally Posted by utd99

You could say exactly the same thing about Van Gaal tbf.

The dozens of top players who rave about Van Gaal would contradict that.

It's been more common to fall out with people at board level. Ever club he's been at he's left littered with top players who talk very highly of his methods.

Mourinho even had Suarez complaining about his gamesmanship when Ajax played Madrid - that's pretty £#%&!ing bad.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

The dozens of top players who rave about Van Gaal would contradict that.

It's been more common to fall out with people at board level. Ever club he's been at he's left littered with top players who talk very highly of his methods.

And you could say the same thing about Mourinho tbf. A lot of the Inter players adored him and plenty from his first spell at Chelsea think the same.

Originally Posted by VodkaAndCoke

And you could say the same thing about Mourinho tbf. A lot of the Inter players adored him and plenty from his first spell at Chelsea think the same.

Absolutely. His biggest strength. But you have to wonder after Madrid and Chelsea if that magic is waning. And what's left if it is.

Originally Posted by dunk

I'm sorry, but watching Mata's laughably weak attempts to maintain possession or even get involved in the game today were a £#%&!ing joke. And it's most weeks. Occasionally pops up with a lovely pass or a tap in (2 this season from open play?) and the happy clappy sunshine bus brigade who worship his blog or some shit absolve him of all culpability for the rest of his performance. He's £#%&!.

And yes, all of Mourinho's teams have been detested and cheats.

In 2006-07 the 'neutrals' wanted United to win the league ffs just because they were sick of him and his bullying set piece specialists. That never £#%&!ing happens

Mmmm, nah. You're exaggerating again. The very fact you need to go to extremes to describe the 'happy chappy sunshine' brigade when I said I agree with you about Mata doesn't do you any favours in terms of exaggeration. He doesn't fit, he disappears from games, he's slow. ...but he's obviously not '£#%&!'.

Detested? Really? I can honestly say I have never 'detested' Inter Milan or Chelsea.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Absolutely. His biggest strength. But you have to wonder after Madrid and Chelsea if that magic is waning. And what's left if it is.

He was done in at Madrid by daring to drop Iker Casillas - for a better goalkeeper! - and, by virtue of that, started a war with half the dressing room and the President of the club.

Seems like at Chelsea this time, something went very wrong with the senior pros, with whom (at other clubs) he'd always seemed to forge something special. The problem at a club like Chelsea is there are no promising youngsters to turn to & who will be loyal.

Originally Posted by dunk

£#%&! Giggs and Rooney off then.

this.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

That would have gone down well. LvG has tried to play politics. I thought the Giggs arse kissing seemed ott. I expect he knew.

I'm not blaming Giggs, but he's a snake. We already knew that, but going above the manager's head like that is shocking.

Rooney I can understand. Players never want to take responsibility. LvG tried to back him, but there's no loyalty there.

You can't deny that the way LvG has been undermined by most associated with the club over the last few months has been incredible.

One of the main reasons we were all excited about LVG was that he'd be ruthless like Fergie rather than be a coward like Moyes.

If he knew he'd have poisonous influences forced upon him at the club then he shouldn't have taken the job.

"Playing politics" is a poor excuse as ultimately Rooney leaving/being dropped was & is one of the things that needs to be done to take us forward.

Originally Posted by Ranier Wolfcastle

One of the main reasons we were all excited about LVG was that he'd be ruthless like Fergie rather than be a coward like Moyes.

If he knew he'd have poisonous influences forced upon him at the club then he shouldn't have taken the job.

"Playing politics" is a poor excuse as ultimately Rooney leaving/being dropped was & is one of the things that needs to be done to take us forward.

It is but people around Chelsea will tell you disrespecting JT ends up with you losing the dressing room.

Rooney with a five-year contract and inevitable captain status has been a huge problem for Van Gaal. I reckon he brought in Schweini partly to give himself another captain figure who would actually have his back. But the next manager will inherit the Rooney problem unless LvG can take that bullet as he leaves the way Fergie intended to.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

It is but people around Chelsea will tell you disrespecting JT ends up with you losing the dressing room.

Rooney with a five-year contract and inevitable captain status has been a huge problem for Van Gaal. I reckon he brought in Schweini partly to give himself another captain figure who would actually have his back. But the next manager will inherit the Rooney problem unless LvG can take that bullet as he leaves the way Fergie intended to.

Nothing would have happened by dropping Rooney. Half the team have been replaced. Rest half will be replaced anyway.

The only reason Rooney is playing is because lvg is a past it £#%&! wit.

Originally Posted by ewaawoowaa

A reminder:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hGQ7OIOf9w


Mata can't help it if the rest of the team, bar Martial, are shite.

And you like him so much, you want the manager who £#%&!ed him out of Chelsea to join him at united.

Originally Posted by Der Kaiser

Sick of hearing from the "class of 92". We're never going to be able to move forward as a club at this rate. I said from the start he shouldn't have kept Giggs there, the club should have told him to go elsewhere and prove his managerial ability. They're a right bunch of snide bastards.

That was done to appease fergie's mob on the board, and to avoid attacks about destroying united's identity from fergie's pets in the media.

Various supposed ITKs on Twitter seem to think Mourinho will be manager before the end of the month, with Van Gaal walking.

Giggs apparently the key facilitator.

Originally Posted by Billy Redface

Would United be the first place he'll get proper support where he doesn't need to 'act out'?

No.

Originally Posted by VodkaAndCoke

I agree and I don't think Mourinho is a long-term manager. But we need to get used to the fact that we are going to be like everyone else now. Another Fergie isn't going to magically appear and stay for twenty years.

Depends on age and success. United's literally the only club that could have a manager for that long, because we're the only giant club who keep any manager who's successful for as long as possible, and the club is big and rich enough that the manager likely wouldn't want to move onto another club attracted by his success.

If mourinho was successful at united, he'd most likely be happy to stay 10 years and united would be happy to keep him for as long as he keeps the money rolling in.

Originally Posted by Grimson

He was done in at Madrid by daring to drop Iker Casillas - for a better goalkeeper! - and, by virtue of that, started a war with half the dressing room and the President of the club.

Seems like at Chelsea this time, something went very wrong with the senior pros, with whom (at other clubs) he'd always seemed to forge something special. The problem at a club like Chelsea is there are no promising youngsters to turn to & who will be loyal.

Well, he did drop terry and made it known he was over the hill.

Originally Posted by rafabio

Nothing would have happened by dropping Rooney. Half the team have been replaced. Rest half will be replaced anyway.

The only reason Rooney is playing is because lvg is a past it £#%&! wit.

The club would have to practically give Rooney away, and give him a huge payoff to get rid, due to that ridiculous contract. And given his marketing worth to woodward, it's never going to happen until Woodward gets his neymar type signing to take rooney's commercial place.

Doesn't his contract also have a tie in with united's commercial department where they're obliged to sell his brand? Dropping him doesn't really meet that commercial obligation.

Originally Posted by Neo

Various supposed ITKs on Twitter seem to think Mourinho will be manager before the end of the month, with Van Gaal walking.

Giggs apparently the key facilitator.

In which case, mourinho's first task should be to push Giggs out of the door. Unless he wants to be next on the hit list the second he does something displeasing to the overseer of the united way.

However, the flaw in your post is that there are no ITKs on twitter. Certainly not anyone giving away truthful gossip like that for free. It is, however, something that's easy to make up as a believable bit of gossip, especially if they're members of a few private forums having stupid polls and saying there's some agenda driven people on the board in a dilemma over mourinho.