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We've been here before and his argument appears to be that the scousers deserved it because they deliberately put the turnstiles under pressure. And that only if the scousers admitted that they miss behaved outside the ground then he'd see it in his heart to accept they've been £#%&!ed over albeit it's still all their fault. Its like the police stopping a 11 year old kid from nicking a mars bar from a newsagent by shooting him to death via a swat team on the pavement outside. Ahh yes but that kids family have never admitted he was nicking a chocolate bar have they eh? £#%&!ing scousers. Why he continually tries to break it down into this simplistic cause and effect argument whilst ignoring the fact that the police's role was to manage the crowd and out of all the measures available to them they chose one that was so insane that it beggars belief/was grossly negligent is anyone's guess. Fortunately history and the world has more sense. |
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I've seen Utd fans cause a massive crush at a turnstyle in order to jib into almost every euro away I've been on , so don't start slagging the bin dippers over this . Ridiculous position . |
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Right you are pal - people might accuse united fans of taking a disproportionate position but not me. |
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They've been absolved of blame by every reasonable measure and some of the attitudes to this by United fans are an embarrassment to the club in all honesty. |
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"I hold my hands up to Pushing at numerous euro aways, jibbbing loads of grounds in the uk and generally acting a @#%&!..." What's your time frame on @#%&! admittance..... Because I've been a @#%&! at most games I visit..its football... Do you need people charged for subletting before the Grenfell money is paid or a corporation are charged ? Burn in your flats lads, get utterly crushed at the football But hold your hands up... Embarrassing, this is how they keep us silent... |
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Christ it's like a £#%&!ing kindergarten here, at times. Everything totally black or white. Got to be right on a forum.
Couldn't possibly be govt, authorities, police etc all culpable AND supporters also culpable. I've never been to a big match in that era, when there was no misbehaving from fans, least of all them. Anyone not accepting both angles is deliberately doing so for their own agenda. |
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I have never said the scousers deserved it....that's just plain wrong I have never said the police were blameless What I have consistently said, and I stand by this, is that the Liverpool supporters, as with most sets of fans then and to a lesser extent now, did not behave in an orderly manner, and I have never heard one of them suggest otherwise. And therefore, imho, the truth is not quite "the truth"....if it was spurs, Chelsea, Newcastle et al I would have the same view, I have probably been to at least a dozen fa cup semi finals and on every occasion, including 3 against Liverpool, both sets of fans were lively to say the least |
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It's about the police response to a situation and whether their response is appropriate or grossly negligent. The world and his dog have found the police to be negligent in this case, that the fans behaviour was manageable and shouldnt have led to some balloon making such a catastrophic decision to open some exit gates. |
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Drunken scousers were the issue... 30 years later folk still repeat it verbatim..."if only one person would stand up and" Odd |
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of course fans behaviour is manageable. should we blame the police for every other time they didn't manage it without it going pear-shaped? no. no-one died so we can still admit the fans were acting like hooligans. not those at hillsborough though, they were different. although if we're honest we all know that they were at least as bad as any other support in the country. which is part of why they could only be trusted with one £#%&!ing turnstile in the 1st place. |
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