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If that's true, Gill/Kenyon are bigger idiots that I thought. |
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Made me sick the questions business and the fact that some fans applauded it happening. Poking a dog with a stick would be more moral. I was at newcastle away with one of them and they don't give a £#%&!. In fact they think it's funny as £#%&! how much they tricked out of glazer. |
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IMO fergie and gill had a very good grasp on the situation and they played their hands the way they thought they could maximize their investments. Fergusons grandchildren's grandchildren will never have to worry about money. I think ferguson felt aggrieved at the money he had made over the years, all the success he had brought the club but compared to some of the players his salary was nothing special. I think he felt he was entitled to one big pay day and he took his opportunity when it came along. |
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Ferguson has made money for his family's future comfort, there's no question about that.
Then again, he's been arguably the most successful manager in English football history for 20 years at arguably the biggest football club in the world. So it's hardly surprising, is it now. As for him introducing Coolmore to the possibility of getting involved in making money out of United. Ahem. And, ahem. And throw in, just for good measure you understand, a quick Yeah right! As for the notion of Ferguson having the casting vote as to whether the Glazer takeover went ahead? I recognise the argument being made now; it's that one where he was supposed to pretend he was bigger than the club and threaten to walk away if they seized control. I actually think this claim is beyond even the most fanciful credibility. But even if there is a grain of truth in it as far as just one of the "investers" goes, the extension of it is that all investment in United could be in jeopardy without Ferguson's presence at the rudder. And yet the claim is being used by people who think he thinks he is United and would happily see him gone for that in itself. Very confusing. For them I mean, obviously ;-) |
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No, I wouldn't complain about the nature of the subject matter. More that there's some very ordinary students undertaking and completing PhDs now. I don't see the point myself. Waste of everybody's time. Supervisers like it though, allows them to get work done on the cheap. Self-centred #@&%!s. |
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Any chance of siphoning off a handy $1 billion of that without anyone noticing and I can make some placards by way of doing my bit? |
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(No, not the obvious thing. I put that thing on ignore long before this thread. My boredom threshold is only so high. I wouldn't even know it was trying to nag at me if folk didn't quote it intermittently.) But back to the matter at hand. Here's a scenario to consider: what if the day the collective TV deals for English clubs are broken up is the beginning of the end for the Premiership - or any notion at all of an English top flight. Some clubs go to the wall without the TV money (City first, probably; but bear with me, it's not all good news.) Those that survive fall so much further behind the wealthier clubs that the old saw about any club in the top division being able to beat any other club on its day will no longer hold true. Which means that competition in the upper echelon of English football is effectively over. It's one thing if only three or four clubs can win the league, quite another if only three or four clubs can win a game. Big clubs can't exist in a vacuum (as Chelsea will discover if they carry on spending far more than they could ever possibly earn.) The formation of a European super league becomes pretty much inevitable, as that's the only way the big English clubs can play every week without the outcome being either tediously inevitable, embarrassingly one-sided, or both. So it's goodbye to most local derbies, and indeed to local interest. Goodbye to the rivalries and loyalties that sustain football from the ground up. The franchise-style operation is well and truly on its way, with Chelsea as the model of an English club sustained instead from the top down. You might well tell me this is hardly my problem, and I suppose it isn't, at least in theory, for someone who watches United the way I do. But I can't see how it will be anything but bad for United - and eventually for *all* United fans who cherish some notion of the club's identity - in the medium and long term to cut it off from its grassroots, and from all but (realistically) three other English clubs. And, come to that, anything but bad for football. Without wanting to sound partisan - much - English football without United would not be much of an attraction. |
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Spot on. That is my biggest concern about the whole situation. I think English football on the whole is going to get £#%&!ed. The pieces are falling in line now to end the collective deal - the foriegn owners don't have the same connection to the game. I don't think they understand the what the consequences will be. |
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On the collective TV, isn't it true Real madrid have got their own TV deal? And they've got the king's cash. And hey've got the pull of any number of the world's top players. They still lose pretty often and have done nothing much in Europe for half a decade.
I think United should be able to have their own TV deal - but that they should not be allowed to have exclusive rights to their own matches. In other words, they should be in a position where they sell their games to the TV companies as well as show them themselves. This way, assuming all the leading clubs did same (as they play each other a fair bit), their could still be some regulation over the collective package as far as availability and price structures go - CL to terrestrial and so on. Then again, maybe if United had their own exclusive rights they could afford to keep the prices down by sheer volume of uptake? I'll leave that last bit hanging for now |
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