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"is there anybody on FT who is against goal line cameras?"
so that's a "yes", then? i understand completely what people are saying about the potential (further) sanitisation of football by taking away the controversy, and also that it might start the ball rolling for other technological reforms. the fact still stands though that the amount of times the "did it cross the line?" debate occurs is miniscule compared to other infringements and offences. however, it is the most important and could (potentially) lead to a team losing a cup final/ vital league game. it is for this reason that i am in favour of goal line cameras/hawkeye. you can still debate offsides, fouls, sendings off etc until you're blue in the face. and let's face it, new technology or not, city would still be crap |
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If it is brought in, the day will surely arrive when it's proven to have made the wrong decision, and the ref will come out and say he would have made the opposite decision if the technology wasn't in use. Then the can of worms will be well and truly opened. |
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The thing is, how do we know what the referee can here? If he gets a beep in his ear, we would need someone else to hear it also to confirm it. If you know what I mean.
All I can think is sensors in balls but this was used at the World Youth Cup championships last year and flopped. |
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I'm thinking maybe a ref giving a foul and asking whether it was on the line of the area (pen) or outside, that sort of thing. |
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By the way, when does that March Madness (yes I know it's sometime in March) thing start in the US? Any tips for an outside bet? |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6404755.stm
"The IFAB has laid down four criteria for the goal-line technology systems. That technology should only apply to goal-line decisions. That the systems must be 100% accurate. That the signal to the referee must be instantaneous That the signal is only communicated to the match officials" Which seems fair enough. |
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none of the posts so far have explained
how football would be improved by this. i can live with the odd bad decision. i take it as part and parcel of the game - and the game would be poorer without the human nature of referees. all the posts in favour of this seem to feel that the game would be better with perfect decision-making on the goal line. i disagree. it wouldn't be more exciting (it would be less); it would distance the fan from the game; it would take away controversy, opinion, judgement, human nature, error, drama and theatre.
how can anyone be in favour of that? the argument that it would be fairer is a strange one. for example, if things have to be perfectly fair we should have a timer recording time to add on so referees can't make mistakes there. would that make for a fairer game? of course it would. would it be a better game? of course not. waiting for the ref to decide, screaming at the bastard for only adding three minutes... watching to see the whistle go to his lips, waiting for him to blow... these are things that are part of the great spectacle of the game. don't take them away. the game may become fairer. but it won't become better. i can't believe so many people are in favour of this. there are things which would improve the game (i listed some in the other post), but this is not one of them. |
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I wouldn't be against relieving them of having to deal with those calls. |
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still no answer
as to how the game would be better.
and i think, grimson, that it would take something away. referees make decisions and we scream at them, laugh at them, drop down on our knees and do them homage. that's gone with hawkeye or whatever. all that's left is the goal or not. something important is lost. once again, this will not make the game a better game. and that is the only criterion as far as i'm concerned. |
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Wouldn't the game be better by awarding goals when the ball crosses the line, and not awarding them when it doesn't?
There is still plenty of room for referees to £#%&! things up - in fact, as I've pointed out, for every goal line controversy, there are, what, 50 penalty kick controversies? Spurs drew a game they technically won at Old Trafford a few years ago. West Ham just won a game they technically drew. That's bad for football. |
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take tennis, for example. is it better now, with the beep deciding instead of the line judge? remember the drama of mcenroe and connors. nastase had the right idea... |
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I find it difficult to argue with you, Borsuk. I don't think it would improve the game much, although I don’t think it would do it much harm as we only get a dozen or so of these calls each season. If it does happen, though, I think it would help the referees in relieving them from having to make what is an almost impossible call.
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