Taking the knee for BLM

Originally Posted by otbarney

Doesn't bother me in the slightest, it only takes 10 seconds and no one is forced to do it.

I disagree, Imagine the uproar if one player didn't do it.

Originally Posted by Patty_b

Leave it up to the players as a group to decide the best way forward. Although considering a few of our own young black players have received rank racist abuse over the past couple of week, it may not hurt to carry it on a while longer.

Also don't get why it winds people up so much? I think it's equally funny and sad that it does though. It's literally 5 seconds before a game to highlight the fight against racism. You'd have to have the thinnest of thin skins for that to wind you up ffs

Did they though?

I am sceptical about some of these supposed tweets sent by 'anonymous' users...

It's all part of the campaign to drive home the message imo...

Originally Posted by Tuco

I disagree, Imagine the uproar if one player didn't do it.

I think they would be applauded like people in other sports have been for not doing it.

I think they're going to be very shocked if they keep doing this when crowds are allowed back in.

Originally Posted by windy waffles

Did they though?

Yes

Originally Posted by windy waffles

I am sceptical about some of these supposed tweets sent by 'anonymous' users...

It's all part of the campaign to drive home the message imo...

And people wonder why players are still taking the knee...

Originally Posted by Patty_b

Yes

Have you seen the supposed racist DMs Marcus Rashford said he got?

PS - I said 'some' not all.

I have no doubt some of the players get abuse sent to them online.

If they do ditch it, I’ll really miss Anthony Martial thinking it’s the first half whistle and running into the opposition half.

I think he’s done it three times now. The £#%&!ing racist 👎

Originally Posted by windy waffles

Have you seen the supposed racist DMs Marcus Rashford said he got?

PS - I said 'some' not all.

So because you've not seen them, he must be making it up? Again, it's no wonder black players want to continue taking the knee with people saying absolute shite like this.

Originally Posted by windy waffles

I have no doubt some of the players get abuse sent to them online.

Originally Posted by windy waffles

Did they though?

I am sceptical about some of these supposed tweets...

You're a f***ing idiot.

Originally Posted by Patty_b

So because you've not seen them, he must be making it up? Again, it's no wonder black players want to continue taking the knee with people saying absolute shite like this.




You're a £#%&!ing idiot.

You're missing the point.

Originally Posted by windy waffles

You're missing the point.

No, I'm really not. You're saying that you think some black players have made up stories about being racially abused. You're saying that with no evidence, and no real motive for someone to do it.

You said players are making up allegations of racial abuse while saying you cringe at players taking a knee against racial abuse that they are receiving.

I understand your point. It's just that it's an idiotic point made by a moron.

Originally Posted by Patty_b

No, I'm really not. You're saying that you think some black players have made up stories about being racially abused. You're saying that with no evidence, and no real motive for someone to do it.

You said players are making up allegations of racial abuse while saying you cringe at players taking a knee against racial abuse that they are receiving.

I understand your point. It's just that it's an idiotic point made by a moron.

You are paraphrasing. My quote about cringing was this:

It actually makes me cringe watching them, and the ref, do it before every game.

As Zaha said the other day, why should they 'take the knee' (hate that saying, just reminds me of GoT) to show they matter.

It is degrading to be fair...

Black players are now coming out and saying it's degrading. As others have said, it's gone on too long now and is actually causing more division.

Originally Posted by windy waffles

You are paraphrasing. My quote about cringing was this:

I'm not sure why you're quoting your post where you say you cringe at players taking the knee is. You said you cringe at players taking the knee, that's what I said you posted, and then you've just quoted it

Originally Posted by windy waffles

Black players are now coming out and saying it's degrading. As others have said, it's gone on too long now and is actually causing more division.

One player has expressed their opinion on it. Its why I said it should be a decision by the players as group. One players opinion on stopping it matters as much as another players opinion that it should last for a minute before each game.

What divisions has it caused?

Originally Posted by Patty_b

I'm not sure why you're quoting your post where you say you cringe at players taking the knee is. You said you cringe at players taking the knee, that's what I said you posted, and then you've just quoted it



One player has expressed their opinion on it. Its why I said it should be a decision by the players as group. One players opinion on stopping it matters as much as another players opinion that it should last for a minute before each game.

What divisions has it caused?

One on this page, at least.

Originally Posted by windy waffles

One on this page at least.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

I think they're going to be very shocked if they keep doing this when crowds are allowed back in.

I’ve seen crowds boo toddlers at half time for missing an open goal from 2 yards, soooo...

If the players want to degrade themselves then that is their choice.

I bet it is shit-canned sharpish once the crowds are back in the grounds and making their feelings known about meaningless gesture politics.



If authorities and social media are serious about combatting racism:

1. Automatic lifetime ban from all grounds for anyone caught and prosecuted for racism (at grounds or anywhere else).

2. Nobody allowed on social media unless their identity has been verified.




Sorted.

I think there's going to be more problems like this moving forward as the people who've tried to create this narrative of some kind of "universal black experience" realise that not all black people think racism should be dealt with in the same way.

And the sad fact is that any black player or person who dares to stray from this idea or step outside the accepted narrative will probably be chastised as some sort of heretic.

Originally Posted by Tuco

I disagree, Imagine the uproar if one player didn't do it.

Loads of players across various sports have decided not to do it already, must have missed the uproar

There won't be tabloid uproar until a Utd player refuses to do it.

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Tbh I think the only impact this whole taking the knee thing will have had is making actual racists double down on their views.

Everyone I know who is into football, is either : partridgeshrug: about the whole thing or thinks it’s a bit cringe. It’s just Twitter virtue signalling that’s leaked into the real world - it helps nothing and is ultimately pointless.

Can just imagine Raymond, 46, from Luton, a lifelong supporter of English nationalist causes and a hardened racist, sitting down to watch the match and drinking in the scene as the players take the knee. “You know what Stacey? Seeing these multi-millionaire footballers kneel for a few seconds has made me contemplate things... I’ve decided I’m going to withdraw my membership from the EDL and I’m going to start paying monthly donations to various charities focussed on providing aid to the black community.”

Originally Posted by NedKelly

Tbh I think the only impact this whole taking the knee thing will have had is making actual racists double down on their views.

Everyone I know who is into football, is either : partridgeshrug: about the whole thing or thinks it’s a bit cringe. It’s just Twitter virtue signalling that’s leaked into the real world - it helps nothing and is ultimately pointless.

Can just imagine Raymond, 46, from Luton, a lifelong supporter of English nationalist causes and a hardened racist, sitting down to watch the match and drinking in the scene as the players take the knee. “You know what Stacey? Seeing these multi-millionaire footballers kneel for a few seconds has made me contemplate things... I’ve decided I’m going to withdraw my membership from the EDL and I’m going to start paying monthly donations to various charities focussed on providing aid to the black community.”

Alternatively, Raymond having to watch his team take the knee might just give him the big ole brain aneurysm that'll rid the world of one more mouth breathing knuckle dragger.