Eduardo banned for 2 games

£#%&!ing hell.

this decision is arbitrary and absurd.

http://www.uefa.com/multimediafiles/...8_download.pdf (accessed 01/09/09; 17:39 BST)

Article 10 Misconduct of players
1 The following disciplinary sanctions apply for competition matches:
a) suspension for one competition match or for a specified period for:
1. a second caution in the same match,
2. rough play,
3. repeated protests against or failure to comply with the referee’s orders,
4. insulting players or others present at the match,
5. unsporting conduct,
6. provoking spectators,
7. playing when not eligible to do so;
b) suspension for two competition matches or for a specified period for
pestering or insulting any match official;
c) suspension for two competition matches or for a specified period for acting
with the obvious intent to cause any match official to make an incorrect
decision or supporting his error of judgement and thereby causing him to
make an incorrect decision;
d) suspension for three competition matches or for a specified period for
assaulting players or others present at the match;
e) suspension for five competition matches or for a specified period for serious
assault;
f) suspension for ten competition matches or for a specified period for
assaulting any match official.
2 If the match is abandoned or awarded by default, the offences listed above shall
still be punishable.
3 Disciplinary action may be taken even if the referee did not see gross
unsportsmanlike conduct and was therefore unable to take any factual decision.
4 In the event of serious offences, the suspension may be extended to include all
competition categories.
5 Suspensions may be combined with fines.

As a club who have been victims of numerous punishments without precedent, i have a certain amount of sympathy for arsenal.

Not much though.

Basically if you try and buy a penalty and don't get touched it's okay as long as you don't claim a penalty, or as long as you immediately admit there was no contact.

I like it tbh. Only really shit obvious dives with no admission on the part of the player at the time will be subject to a 2 game ban

So Rooney would've missed the Aalborg game and the 1st leg of the Inter tie last season, for example.

They'll only do it to english teams unfortunately.

Originally Posted by Tumescent Throb

Basically if you try and buy a penalty and don't get touched it's okay as long as you don't claim a penalty, or as long as you immediately admit there was no contact.

I like it tbh. Only really shit obvious dives with no admission on the part of the player at the time will be subject to a 2 game ban

So Rooney would've missed the Aalborg game and the 1st leg of the Inter tie last season, for example.

although that villarreal one wasn't given so maybe he'd be okay?

Originally Posted by armchair

They'll only do it to english teams unfortunately.

maybe, but I can't remember a single dive by a United player in Europe that got us a penalty tbh


the problem will be when they start doing it for incidents that aren't definitley obvious dives. hopefully that won't just be when they need a player banned for a forthcoming match.

Originally Posted by marlo

£#%&!ing hell.

this decision is arbitrary and absurd.

Spot on, Marls.

Does anyone else remember the Italian FA implementing a rule a few years ago when if a player was booked for diving he automatically received a 2 game ban? It did not last long.

2 games for a dive when if the ref suspects a dive the player only gets a yellow. Very Harsh, but if applied to every player and club across the board most of us would accept it. However if this amounts to a precedent that will soon be forgotten, as it will probably be, then Eduardo and Arsenal have every reason to be furious.

It should not matter if a goal comes from dive, any blatant attempt to deceive the ref should result in the same punishment.

Originally Posted by marlo

£#%&!ing hell.

this decision is arbitrary and absurd.

Originally Posted by Tiberian

Does anyone else remember the Italian FA implementing a rule a few years ago when if a player was booked for diving he automatically received a 2 game ban? It did not last long.

2 games for a dive when if the ref suspects a dive the player only gets a yellow. Very Harsh, but if applied to every player and club across the board most of us would accept it. However if this amounts to a precedent that will soon be forgotten, as it will probably be, then Eduardo and Arsenal have every reason to be furious.

It should not matter if a goal comes from dive, any blatant attempt to deceive the ref should result in the same punishment.

our ball

c) suspension for two competition matches or for a specified period for acting
with the obvious intent to cause any match official to make an incorrect
decision or supporting his error of judgement and thereby causing him to
make an incorrect decision;

So when a player deliberately claims it's their throw in instead of the other teams like they all do even when obvious, they could get a 2 match ban? The same for claiming a corner that was clearly a goal kick?

The words 'rod' and 'back' spring to mind.

have any of you actually read article 10? the way I read it is that

you needn't be banned for diving per se, because you are not necessarily attempting to cause the official to make an incorrect decision.

if you obviously dive and appeal for a foul you can be done. if you obviously dive and fail to try to correct a referee who falls for it you can be done.

if the referee makes the correct decision at the time then that'll be that, ie yellow card at most. if there is any doubt then the referee's decision will stand.

Originally Posted by Grimson

Surely the idea behind this is not to punish every single player who dives, but to punish enough that it becomes a deterrent? If they ban enough players, it could work to at least some degree.

Well, surely the problem with that is, who decides which players, when and how? If, say, Rooney was banned for two games for diving, United went out, and meanwhile Torres or Gerrard had clearly dived in another game but it was ignored and they went on to win the thing, we'd be apopleptic and rightly so.